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フィードバックしたのですが、「by design(仕様)」とされてしまいました。Vista のベータ プログラムに参加されている方で、問題だと思われた方は、FeedbackID=162368 で報告してください。

権限は、親プロセスから子プロセスへ引き継がれます。したがって、プログラム ラウンチャを「管理者」として起動すると、そこから起動するプログラムはすべて「管理者」として動作します。

ということは、コマンド プロンプトや、Windows エクスプローラを「管理者」として起動し、そこからプログラムを起動すれば、煩わしい「昇格プロンプト」は表示されない、ということです。

では、実際にどの様な使い方が考えられるでしょうか。

エクスプローラ自身を、「管理者として実行」し、そのエクスプローラから「悪意のあるプログラム」を実行するように指示します。エクスプローラはマイクロソフト製の署名があるので「緑」の昇格プロンプトが表示されます。「悪意のあるプログラム」は、すでに管理者権限を持っているので、やりたい放題です。


こんなのが「仕様」で良いのか?

もっとも、RunAs コマンドや、プログラム中から他プロセスを起動するときにどの様に権限変更を行うかなど、もう少し調べる必要があるかもしれません。

しかし、私が XP でやっていることなのですが、デスクトップに管理者権限で動作する様に設定した、Windows エクスプローラへのショートカットを置いておき、そのショートカットで起動した Windows エクスプローラで作業することを常としていると、UAC を OFF にしているのと変わらない、ということです。

いいのか、そんなので?

投稿日時 : 2006年7月19日 22:29
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  • # re: Windows Vista: UAC の抜け道を考える
    NyaRuRu
    Posted @ 2006/07/20 0:06
    >問題だと思われた方は、FeedbackID=162368 で報告してください。

    こちらからは見えませんが,もちかして見るべきとこ違うんでしょうか.
    connect サイトですよね?
    ちゃんと公開設定になってますか?

    >こんなのが「仕様」で良いのか?

    じゃあどうするべきか,というのが難しいのかと思います.
    私の場合は cmd.exe を管理者権限で動かすことが多いですが,この場合はかなり意図的にやっていますし.
    Jitta さんの言われる問題は,Vista 全体の仕様変更でなくても,エクスプローラのみの仕様変更でもかなりの部分解消されたりしませんか?
    # フィードバックの内容が読めないので推測で書いていますが.
  • # re: Windows Vista: UAC の抜け道を考える
    渋木宏明(ひどり)
    Posted @ 2006/07/20 6:17
    「じゃあどおすんの?」への解を示さないと取り上げえてもらえなさそうですね。

    例えば

    ・署名のある/なしをチェック、無いものは警告
    ・署名をホワイトリストと照合、無いものは警告

    なんてのはどうでしょうね。

    ホワイトリストだけでもいいのかな?
  • # re: Windows Vista: UAC の抜け道を考える
    NyaRuRu
    Posted @ 2006/07/20 20:50
    >FeedbackID=162368
    今試したらアクセスできました.
    で,Expected Results を拝見したのですが,確かにあの内容だと「by design」かなぁ,と.

    ひどりさんも書かれていますが,

    >こんなのが「仕様」で良いのか?
    >いいのか、そんなので?

    について,どうしたいのか? をきちんと示した方が取り上げてもらいやすいのではないでしょうか?
    利用者にしても,より便利でより安全な方法が提示されれば比較的スムーズに移行できるでしょうが,原則禁止・代替案無しという方向に持って行かれると返って反発を招くような気がします.
  • # re: Windows Vista: UAC の抜け道を考える
    Jitta
    Posted @ 2006/07/20 21:50
    NyaRuRuさん、渋木さん、コメントありがとうございます。

    > ちゃんと公開設定になってますか?
    すみません。セキュリティ要件なので「プライベートに変えて」いました。
    「公開」に変更しました。ご迷惑をおかけしましたm(__)m


    > じゃあどうするべきか,というのが難しいのかと思います.
    > 「じゃあどおすんの?」への解を示さないと取り上げえてもらえなさそうですね。
    はい、そのように思います。
    その時思い浮かんだのが、「権限を継承させない」ということでした。
    cmd.exe や explorer.exe から実行されるものは権限を落とせばいい、
    と考え、フィードバックの方には Expexted Results を、
    「エクスプローラ、コマンドプロンプトから実行されるプログラムについては、権限を落として実行する。」
    としました。
    しかし、よく考えると
    ・ プロセス分岐は単体 exe の問題ではない
    ・ (上をもとに)IIS などのサービス プロセスが、プロセス分岐を行うこともある
    という問題がありますね。

     私が思い描いたシナリオは、

    ・悪意のプログラムは、cmd をフォークするプロセスと、悪意を実行するプロセスからなる
    ・フォークプロセスは、悪意を実行するプロセスを引数に持つ cmd を昇格させて分岐する
     →このとき、cmd はマイクロソフトの署名入りなので、青緑の昇格プロンプトが表示される
    ・昇格済み cmd は、管理者権限で悪意を実行するプロセスを実行する
     →このとき、昇格済みなので、悪意を実行するプロセスは昇格の必要がない

    これにより、エンド ユーザに危機感を持たせずに悪意を実行できる。

    ということです。SDK や RunAs の詳細を確認して、このようなフローが可能なのか、確認しなければなりません。
    (こんなとき、「もっと英語を勉強しておくべきだった」と、後悔する。。。)
    しかし、コメントなしに「設計による」で close されるのは、ちょっと。。。
  • # re: Windows Vista: UAC の抜け道を考える
    ちゃっぴ
    Posted @ 2006/07/23 22:33
    これまともにやられると管理者大変ですよ。
    # まあ、個人的には疑問に思っていたんですがね。
    # 昇格している window に message 投げてやったらどうなるんだろう・・・
    # とか

    RUNAS ですがこちらは service で動いているので、
    service の ACL を変更して昇格できる user を限定できるように
    するとかそういう風にいきませんかね。
  • # re: Windows Vista: UAC の抜け道を考える
    Jitta
    Posted @ 2006/07/24 21:52
    ちゃっぴさん、コメントありがとうございます。

    > # 昇格している window に message 投げてやったらどうなるんだろう・・・
    > # とか
     これは、送り側は「成功」を返しますが、途中で潰されます。β1では、そのようになっています。
     Virtual Server に Vista を入れてみたのですが、なかなか動いてくれない。。。
  • # re: Windows Vista: UAC の抜け道を考える
    Jitta
    Posted @ 2006/07/25 22:28
    どうも、「古いアプリケーションが互換性によって動作するための仕様」のような気がしてきた。
    マニフェストによる起動オプションがあります。これには、
    * 親プロセスの権限を引き継ぐ
    * ユーザ(アカウントじゃないの?)の最大権限を取得する
    * 管理権限に昇格する
    の3つがあります。このうち、「親プロセスの権限を引き継ぐ」が、デフォルトになっているようです。ちなみに、「管理権限に昇格する」には、コード証明書が必要です。
    これが、「アカウントの最大権限で起動する」がデフォルトであれば、、、
    runas /trustlevel 管理者 cmd.exe /c malware.exe
    (cmd.exe を管理者権限で起動し、その上で malware を起動する。
     このとき、管理者権限で動作させるのは cmd.exe なので、青緑の昇格ダイアログが表示される。
     そして、親プロセスの権限を引き継ぐので、 malware は昇格ダイアログなしに、管理権限で動作する)
    のようなことをしても、malware が警告なしに管理権限で動作することもない、と思うのですが。
    また、Build 5472 では、TrustLevel には 0x2000 一般ユーザしか選択できない(Showtrustlevel で、これしか出てこない)ので、信頼レベルが「一般」しか与えられないのであれば、問題も小さいと思います。

     アカウントに与えられる権限は、「ビルトイン Administrator アカウント」>「ビルトイン Administrators グループ」>「ビルトイン Users グループ」>「ビルトイン Guests グループ」の区別があるようです。
     Administrator アカウントでは、UAC が ON であっても、一切の「昇格ダイアログ」が出ません。しかし、デフォルトでは、「無効」にされています。
     Administrators グループは、昇格ダイアログが「許可」「キャンセル」となります。Administrators グループに属さない場合は、Administrators グループのアカウント名とそのパスワードを入力しなければなりません。Guests グループは、まだよくさわっていません。
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