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脱初心者への厚き壁

こんなんでモチベーション上がんのかよ の続きなんですけどね。

ゆゆしき問題です。
巷にあふれる"入門書"を読破しサンプルを読み課題をこなしても
FizzBuzz問題が解けないのですよ。なんてこったぃ

ここでいう"入門書"では、フォームにボタンとラベルを貼り付けて
稲妻ボタン押してハンドラ起こして"ここに書かれているとおりに"
コードを追加すればアラ簡単、あっちゅーまにWindowsアプリの
いっちょあがりー! ...で終わってるってーことね。
あんたが買ったその"入門書"、そりゃ"入門書"じゃありません。
"Visualほげほげ使い方早見表"です。

言語の"入門書"はそんなんじゃないぞ。
文法を解説し、基本的なライブラリの使い方を示し、課題を与え、
少なくともFizzBuzz問題がソラで解ける程度には教えてくれる。
そんな本、探せばちゃんとあるんだよ皆の衆。

基礎は大事。とっても大事。
そんな大事なもんをWebから拾い集めた断片的情報で賄おうとすんぢゃねぇ。
本を読め。まっとうな本を読め。自腹を切って買って読め。
擦り切れるまで読めってんですよコノヤロー

投稿日時 : 2007年11月5日 1:07

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# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/05 3:38 N

良い本教えてくださいよ

# 体調と講演とFizzBuzz問題と初音ミクと自作曲「Happy! Lucky! Scripting!!」 2007/11/05 4:34 Scripting Weblog

体調と講演とFizzBuzz問題と初音ミクと自作曲「Happy! Lucky! Scripting!!」

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/05 8:24 ながせ

「Visual C# Express Edition 入門っていう」本、microsoftに紹介されているし、割引されるっていうので引かれて買ってしまった。

…3分でものすごく後悔した。

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/05 9:52 επιστημη

良い本? Amazonの書評でも参考にしつつ、本屋でパラパラめくるのが一番すよ。
自分で本を選ぶのもモチベーションのひとつやないですか。
まかりまちがってトホホな本買っちまうのも"経験"だと思うですよ。

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/05 11:30 とっちゃん

良書と呼ばれるものでも、一冊で済むということはないですね。
特に初学者向けであれば、あるほど。

良いとされる本であっても、違う著者のものを数冊は読みこむのがいいと思いますよ。
同じようなネタが多いからこれ見た!
と思うことも多々ありますが、微妙に異なる表現や出現順などで、自身の言語に対する理解が深まります。

で、〆の一冊として、言語の仕様書を読めばばっちりかとw<おい!

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/05 12:52 Tori

そこでエピステーメーさんが実践と経験に裏打ちされた腕で、規格の翻訳をすれば完璧なんでは?
そろそろ、C99やらC++x0やら出ますし。
それ以前でも規格の本ってみたことあったかな~。

あぁ、遅くなりましたけど、はじめまして! ちょっと通りますよ。

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/05 13:09 επιστημη

規格の翻訳いやーん。僕翻訳屋ぢゃなーいもん。

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/05 18:52 Chuki

英語で嫁、って声が聞こえてきそうですね^^;
#英語の嫁にするとすぐ憶えられるそうなんですけれどね^^;。

最近の人、Webで済まそうとするけれど、やっぱり何冊か本を読んでから出ないと無理ですよね。
ともかく何冊か読ませるようにしてますです。
#自腹で本を買ってくる人はやっぱり後の伸びもいいですよね^^;

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/05 21:48 Gushwell

最近、その手の本を読んでいないせいか、C, C++, Javaならば沢山あると思うのですが、なぜか、C#で初心者が読む良い本ってのを知りません。
どうもHowTo本ばかりのような気がします。


# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/06 0:11 foobar

C#自体、ものすごくわかりやすいから
「入門書」と呼べるレベルの本がないのかも?
もしくは、.net自体の解説もしなければいけないから
必然的にhow2本になっちゃうのかも

C#よりも.netにページを割いてしまう本が多い気がする
どっぷりC#の本も見たけど、タイトル忘れた
(立ち読みで全部よんだけどw)

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/07 14:27 刈歩 菜良

昔は初心者が勉強するものといえば、言語の基本構文とアルゴリズムと相場が決まっていたのですが、IDEの功罪で、アルゴリズムなんてな~んも知らんでも何となくそれっぽいのが出来ちゃいます。

かといって、コンソールアプリで言語+アルゴリズムなんていう教育は今どき流行らないんですよね。

ぢゃあ、いつどこでアルゴリズムは覚えるんだい?ってことですよね。
どこなんでしょうね?


# アルゴリズム楽しいんだけどなぁ~。

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/07 22:07 επιστημη

なんかねー、プログラミングって額縁にボタン落して
どーのこーのすることちゃうんだけどねぇ...

計算機科学が流行りだのウケだので揺らいじゃダメだろー

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/07 22:24 刈歩 菜良

「流行りだのウケだの」が利益と密接に関係しているのが痛いところです。
(;O;)

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/07 22:52 επιστημη

なんだかなー。
「流行りだのウケだの」で浮き沈みするのを否定しないし
要らんこととは思わんけども、
そんなん関係ない'ぷりみちぶ'ちゅーか'ふぁんだめんたる'ちゅーか、
そーゆーもんを置き去りにしちゃあかんぜよ。

# re: 脱初心者への厚き壁 2007/11/08 9:50 まさる

>置き去りにしちゃあかんぜよ。
うちの新人教育はまずCOBOLです。
アルゴリズムという意味ではなんだかんだ言っていいんですよね。
ただ、そのあといっきにJava,VBだから頭がついていかないコもいますね。やっぱ。

# .NET言語を覚える王道? 2007/11/08 10:19 むりせず♪なまけず? ~ぷろくらすてぃねいたーの言い訳雑記~

.NET言語を覚える王道?

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