主にC# な話題です
System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewContentAlignment
の中身を見てみると、一番最後の列挙子の後ろに , が付いて終わってた・・・ってことは、以下のように書けるってことなのかな？
これって正しいのかな？
ためしに
enum test { A,B,C,D, }
と書いてもコンパイラを通るし、test もきちんと扱える・・・
気持ち悪いな・・・
投稿日時 : 2007年10月26日 13:06
enum test{ ///<summary>ほげら</summary> A, ///<summary>ほげる</summary> B, ///<summary>ほげれ</summary> C, ///<summary>ほげろ</summary> D, } こんな風に書いておくと、値が増えるときとか便利ですよ。
Javaに配列を宣言するときに最後のカンマを無視する言語仕様があるので、 C#を作る際に真似たのではないでしょうか。 もっと古い言語に元ネタがあるのかもしれませんが。 利便性はまりり氏の示唆される通り。 かなりマイナーな言語仕様トリビアです。
はい、もちろん仕様です。
＞もっと古い言語に元ネタがあるのかもしれませんが。 もっと古い言語に元ネタがあります。 古の C 言語の時代からの仕様です。 ええ、古のほうのですｗ ＃俗にK&Rともいいますがｗ
K&Rのプログラミング言語Cが手元にないのですが その辺で触れられているんですか？
慣例ですなぁ。コピペで要素追加できるように。structもこうなって欲しいなんていってる人もいたなぁ＜遠い目
実は僕も前から気になっていたのです。 「おー、無視するのか！こりゃーコピペの時に楽ちんだぜい！」 と思う反面 「むむう、でもなんか始末し切れなかったウ○チみたいでやだなあ（下ネタごめん）」 とかも思ったりするのです。 一応仕様としてそういうものがある、というのは知っておくに留めておいて でも自分ではキモチワルイので最後のカンマはウォシュレットでスッキリ じゃなかった、あえて削除しておくことにしています。
＞手元にないのですが おいらも、もうないです。 会社の中をあさればどこかに埋まってそうですが...ｗ たしか、仕様として明記されていたはずです。 ＃ANSI-Cにもあるはずですよ ただし、最初がどうだったのか(単なる消し忘れをフォローだったのか)はわからんですｗ ＃ちなみに、おいらも最後の',' は取り払う派ですねｗ あ、そうそう、配列の初期化の最後にも、',' は付けられますよｗ
int a[]= { 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, }; こんな感じｗ ＃普通は、縦に並べて、後ろにコメント入れるんですがねｗ ＃もちろん、構造体配列の初期化も同様 ＞structもこうなって は、 sturct A a = { 1, 3, 4, }; // エラー！何やっとんじゃお前！ ってやつ？
ねー、気持ち悪いよねー。
自分は付ける派だなー。 だってアルゴリズム的には最初の１個もしくは、最後の１個だけ特別処理しないといけないわけでしょう？ カンマ区切りの文字列を書き出すときに for (int i=0; i<100; i++) { if (i!=0) { System.out.print(','); } System.out.print(内容); } とかって書くのが嫌。 読むときも同じで、最初か最後で特殊処理が必要になってしまう…。 脳内がVM化している自分にはこれが気持ち悪い。
コピペというと後ろ向きっぽいけど、コード生成する時なんかは末尾の , を見逃してくれた方がちょっと楽。
下ネタを盛り込みながらコメントするスレはここですか？ 私は付けない派でしたが、凪瀬さんの > 最後の１個だけ特別処理しないといけないわけでしょう？ を聞いて思いついたのが、 そうだ！京都に(ry そうだ！文末の；と同じと思えばいいんや。 という納得させる方法を思いつきました。 # いや、それでも残尿感が...
C90/C++1998 では 配列の初期化子の最後のカンマは認められているけど enum の列挙子の最後のカンマは認められていない C99 では両方認められた という経緯がありんす。 C++2003 ではどうだっけな？
K&Rはどうだか知らないけど、TCやVCでも初期バージョンでは','がついているともう一つ要素を増やしてました。 配列の要素数を sizeof( A ) / sizeof(A[0]) で取得するコードが、カンマ一つのおかげでバグってしまうのが、コンパイラの仕様が変わってくれたので、当時ものすごく救われた気になりました。 あちきは、最後のカンマは残尿感にかかわらずつけておくべきだと思います。 追加, 削除, 入れ替え, 腰フリ, など手間が大幅に減って助かりますよね。 ＃おもろない。
JISX3015【プログラム言語Ｃ＃】のPDFを見てみると・・・ 21.1 列挙宣言 ～途中省略～ <<列挙本体>>: {<<列挙メンバ宣言群>>opt} {<<列挙メンバ宣言群>> , } とありましたね・・・仕様ということで。 # 僕も最後の,は取りますね（気分の問題） # あ、でもC#でお仕事したことないです、 # C++なんかでenum使う場合。。。
その仕様自体は知りませんでしたが、私はあっさり納得してしまいました。 最後に余計なカンマがある、ではなくて、最後に（終端を示す）ヌル文字が明示されている、と考えれば良いのではないかと。 ＃ Cとかでいう '\0' いわゆる「番兵」とかいうやつですね。 あっさり納得してしまった私が変なのでしょうか？
すみません、途中で通信が切れて二重投稿になっったようです。申し訳ありません。
仕様ってことは「最後にカンマがあってもかまわない」じゃなくて「最後のカンマはつけなくても構わない」って事なんですかね。
すごい盛り上がってますねｗ IIJIMAS@Rさんファン＆関連リンクをアップするだけの人…orz です。あきらかにのり遅れました…。 凪瀬さんの意見に同意です。 …というか、過去の私のenumがあるコードやリストの中身を表示するようなプログラムの出力にもありました…最後の , …ごめんなさい。
私も最後のカンマ付けますね。ひどりさんと同じ理由で、配列データを生成するツールとか作ると楽なんですよ。最後見逃してくれたほうが。
確かにコード生成するときなんかは便利ですが、手動でコーディングする際は取っ払いますね。 気持ちわるいっす。
区切るというのは面倒
ひどりさんやkkamegawaさんがおっしゃっているように、コードを自動生成するときに楽なのでこうなっていると聞いたことがあります。LLでコード生成するときにほんのちょっと楽です。 Lex/Yaccが古くからあるので、Cとコード自動生成は長ーい関係がありますね。 似たような話で、C#のclassやstructの最後にセミコロンが付いてもOKという仕様もありますね。C++のコード自動生成器への配慮と思われます。
まりり さん >こんな風に書いておくと、値が増えるときとか便利ですよ。 確かに便利だろうとは思ったのですが、何か気持ち悪いんです。 -------------------------------------------------------------- Gushwell さん >はい、もちろん仕様です。 仕様だったんですねぇ。知りませんでした。 -------------------------------------------------------------- とっちゃん >古の C 言語の時代からの仕様です。 そうだったんですか。 ちなみに、K & R は、古本屋に売ってしまった・・・ >int a[]= { 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, }; >こんな感じｗ すげーっ。 -------------------------------------------------------------- 黒龍 さん >慣例ですなぁ。コピペで要素追加できるように。 知らなかった・・・ -------------------------------------------------------------- ぽぴ王子 さん >「むむう、でもなんか始末し切れなかったウ○チみたいでやだなあ（下ネタごめん）」 まさに！ >でも自分ではキモチワルイので最後のカンマはウォシュレットでスッキリ じゃなかった、あえて削除しておくことにしています 僕は受け入れる方向にしようかと思っているのですが、これってウ○チつきっぱなしってことになりますよね。 それは嫌だなぁ・・・ -------------------------------------------------------------- シャノン さん >ねー、気持ち悪いよねー。 シャノンさんも、ウォシュレットでスッキリ派なんですね。 -------------------------------------------------------------- 凪瀬 さん >カンマ区切りの文字列を書き出すときに >for (int i=0; i<100; i++) { >if (i!=0) { >System.out.print(','); >} >System.out.print(内容); >} System.out.print(String.Join(",", stringArray))^^; -------------------------------------------------------------- 渋木宏明(ひどり) さん >コピペというと後ろ向きっぽいけど、コード生成する時なんかは末尾の , を見逃してくれた方がちょっと楽。 コード生成ですかー、うーん。 -------------------------------------------------------------- 刈歩 菜良 さん >下ネタを盛り込みながらコメントするスレはここですか？ はい。ここは下ネタは必須です。 >そうだ！文末の；と同じと思えばいいんや。 >という納得させる方法を思いつきました。 この表現が、既に納得してないことを物語っているように見えます。 ># いや、それでも残尿感が... やっぱりｗ -------------------------------------------------------------- 774RR さん >という経緯がありんす。 C++2003 ではどうだっけな？ そんな経緯があったんすね。 -------------------------------------------------------------- ゆーち さん >あちきは、最後のカンマは残尿感にかかわらずつけておくべきだと思います。 なるほど。 >追加, >削除, >入れ替え, >腰フリ, すみません。流れがわからないです(TーT) -------------------------------------------------------------- ふ さん >とありましたね・・・仕様ということで。 うーん、仕様なんですね。 ># 僕も最後の,は取りますね（気分の問題） 気持ち悪いですよね。 -------------------------------------------------------------- やまだ さん >最後に余計なカンマがある、ではなくて、最後に（終端を示す）ヌル文字が明示されている、と考えれば良いのではないかと。 うーん、これはちょっと違うような・・・ >あっさり納得してしまった私が変なのでしょうか？ 「そう思うことで無理に納得する」というならわかりますが、あっさり納得となっているので・・・ 基本的に , は要素を分離する目的であって、基本的に番兵という役割にはなりえません。 末尾のカンマを許しているのは、これと取り巻く処理や、記述上の簡便さが目的であると考えるなら理屈は通ります。 しかし、やまださんの考え方に従ってしまうと、 , は要素を分離すると共に、終端をも表すものという考え方になってしまいます。 番兵が無ければ処理が暴走しますから「・・・と考えれば良い」となると余計に納得できなくなってしまう訳です。 -------------------------------------------------------------- はつね さん >仕様ってことは「最後にカンマがあってもかまわない」じゃなくて「最後のカンマはつけなくても構わない」って事なんですかね。 そういうことなんでしょうねー あぁ、気持ち悪いこと・・・ -------------------------------------------------------------- IIJIMAS さん >…というか、過去の私のenumがあるコードやリストの中身を表示するようなプログラムの出力にもありました…最後の , 探すとあったりしますよね。 知らなかったけど、意外にも既に使っていた！、みたいなｗ -------------------------------------------------------------- kkamegawa さん >私も最後のカンマ付けますね。 kamegawaさんは付ける派なんですね。 >ひどりさんと同じ理由で、配列データを生成するツールとか作ると楽なんですよ。最後見逃してくれたほうが。 なるほど、やっぱり僕も付ける派に華麗に転身しようかな・・・ -------------------------------------------------------------- THREE-ONE さん >気持ちわるいっす。 激しく同意！ -------------------------------------------------------------- siokoshou さん >ひどりさんやkkamegawaさんがおっしゃっているように、コードを自動生成するときに楽なのでこうなっていると聞いたことがあります。 やっぱり、そういうことなんですね。 >似たような話で、C#のclassやstructの最後にセミコロンが付いてもOKという仕様もありますね。C++のコード自動生成器への配慮と思われます。 そうして時代はコード自動生成へ・・・
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