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# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/08 13:49 とっちゃん

Native でつくって SHGetSpecialFolderPath を使いましょうｗ

.NET なアプリは、ユーザーごとに全データを別管理なので
そもそもそんなところが必要と思う「設計」が間違っていますねｗ

時代が変わってるんだから設計も思想も変えろとｗｗｗ
もちろん、ユーザーがついてこないならそういう教育を...



できたらいいんだけどねぇｗ

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/08 14:33 IIJIMAS

とっちゃんさんコメントありがとうございます。

＞Native でつくって SHGetSpecialFolderPath を使いましょうｗ

ね、Native ですか。実は私はNative関連ほとんど何も知りません。
C/C++なんて何年もいじってないし、実はいまさらながら勉強したいと思いますが。（わんくま方々の話題についていけるように）。
（なるほどSHGetSpecialFolderPathで CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS (0x002e) か…、.NETからP/Invokeで呼んで使おうかな…わざわざ…）

＞そもそもそんなところが必要と思う「設計」が間違っていますねｗ

そうなんですかー
私はしょせん末端の「実装者」なんで…

＞できたらいいんだけどねぇｗ

やっぱり…まずはMSさんに思想を広めてもらわないと…

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/08 21:19 Jitta

ユーザごとは、アンインストール時に消せない(追い切れない)のが面倒。。。

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/09 9:35 シャノン

http://blogs.wankuma.com/shannon/archive/2007/02/26/64105.aspx
http://blogs.wankuma.com/shannon/archive/2007/02/26/64137.aspx

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/09 12:10 IIJIMAS

Jittaさん
シャノンさん
コメント情報ありがとうございます。

悩ましいことが増えたかも…
（今まで気にしていなかった…）

考え始めるとと難しくてキリがないですね…
ベストプラクティスはないものか…

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/10 16:37 とっちゃん

ベストプラクティスですか...
「バージョンアップする前にOSごと再フォーマット」
でしょうｗ

いらないものはその時点できれいさっぱり消え去ります
ええ。もう何もかもなくなってきれいな体になりますよｗｗｗ

ま、実際のところどこかに妥協点を置いて...でしょうねｗ
Office とか実際どうやってるのかを研究してみるというのも
一つの解決策の模索ではないかと...
＃有名ソフトがどうやってるというのはごり押しの手札に使えるのでｗｗｗ

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/10 21:25 IIJIMAS

とっちゃんさんコメントありがとうございます。

＞Office とか実際どうやってるのかを研究してみるというのも
＞一つの解決策の模索ではないかと...
＞＃有名ソフトがどうやってるというのはごり押しの手札に使えるのでｗｗｗ

Officeですか…ハードル高すぎです…

アプリケーションの配置って実行ファイルだけでなく設定ファイルやデータファイルの置き場所とかアンインストール時にどうするとかアクセス制御とか脳みそがOverflowしそうです…

MSさんには将来のWindowsやVisual Studioではしっかりとした標準を作ってもらって、誰もが容易にその標準に準拠するアプリケーションを作成・配布できるようにほしいと思います（と独り言）。
もしOfficeのインストーラを作成しているツールがあるならVSのセットアップにも同様なツールを入れてほしいと思います（とわがまま）。

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/11 12:38 とっちゃん

Office のインストーラは...
2003 までは、内部製品なので不明な代物というか、独自のものですね。

2007 は、WiX 2.0 です(msiのみｗ)

ただ、外部UIなので、UI部分は独自プログラムです。
あのチェインの仕組みとUIはおいそれとまねのできる代物ではありませんがｗ
野望を持って取り組めれば...やってやれないことはないですｗ

ちなみに、msiinfo(WindowsSDK/PlatfromSDKに添付)で、何で作られているかはある程度見えます。

msiinfo Hoge.msi とコマンドラインで打ち込んでみてくださいな。
いろいろと見れますよｗｗ

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/11 20:03 IIJIMAS

とっちゃんさんコメントありがとうございます。

＞2007 は、WiX 2.0 です(msiのみｗ)

いずれ、とっちゃんさんの記事で勉強します。
（すいません、読んだことありませんでした…）

＞野望を持って取り組めれば...やってやれないことはないですｗ

ぜひ次々回の勉強会のテーマにしてください…ｗｗ

＞いろいろと見れますよｗｗ

見ましたｗ、私の能力では”いろいろ”までは読み取りませんでした…

（実は今日もVSセットアップでのインストーラやファイルの配置で苦戦中です、VistaとかUsersでの起動時とか再インストール時…予想外なこと起こりまくりです。ブログのエントリにしたいのに余裕と気力が…）

…21日楽しみにしています。

# re: Windows Vista ProgramDataフォルダの怪現象… 2007/09/14 11:02 IIJIMASが勉強しようとしています。

re: Windows Vista ProgramDataフォルダの怪現象…

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/17 0:29 ちゃっぴ

> MSさんには将来のWindowsやVisual Studioではしっかりとした標準を作ってもらって、誰もが容易にその標準に準拠するアプリケーションを作成・配布できるようにほしいと思います（と独り言）。

もうおわかりでしょうけど、標準は Windows 2000 の時代から日本語のものがちゃんとありますし、.NET とくに VB ではそれを支援するしくみもちゃんとあります。

Vista まで重要性を SE および porgrammer が認識せず、無視していたのが現状かと。

Windows Vista 向けの logo program 向けの documents が日本語化
http://blogs.wankuma.com/tyappi/archive/2007/09/10/94973.aspx

浸透していないなぁ。。。
http://blogs.wankuma.com/tyappi/archive/2007/09/11/95202.aspx

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/17 0:58 IIJIMAS

ちゃっぴ さん

コメントありがとうございます。

このエントリの件でそれを書いたのは、「すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダ（CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS）」に対応するものが、.NET の Environment.SpecialFolder 列挙値の中に無いのに、Vistaにも「Publicのドキュメントフォルダ」なるものがあるので、ポリシーが一貫してないような気がしたからなのです…

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/17 2:23 ちゃっぴ

そういう意味だと、「共有するな!」が基本になりますね。

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/17 3:10 IIJIMAS

＞そういう意味だと、「共有するな!」が基本になりますね。

しかし実際には、共有データ（１マシン単位での）というのが必要だという要望もあるのですが…（もう１つの方のエントリでひろえむさんとのやり取りで書いたように）

またそれならばVistaに「Publicのドキュメントフォルダ」なるものがあること自体、”基本”に反しているのでは…

やむ負えずこの要望応えるために場合には、”基本”から外れることになるのでそういう場合はインストール時に配下のフォルダのアクセス制御を変えることがインストーラの必要作業になってしまうのですね。この点が誰もが”容易”にその標準に準拠するアプリケーションを配布できるようになっていないと思うところです…

# re: すべてのユーザ共有のドキュメントフォルダって… 2007/09/17 3:32 IIJIMAS

すいません、なんかおかしな文章になってしまいました…
・ユーザにその”基本”は広まっていないので、それにそぐわない要望もある。
・開発者はその”基本”と”要望”の板ばさみ。
・正直”基本”に従う場合でも、ツールが追いついていない
気がします…

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# ルイ ヴィトン リュック 中古 2022/09/28 6:38 diblqjra@yahoo.co.jp

商品の梱包がとても綺麗で気持ちがよかったです！
お電話でバッグに長財布が入るか問い合わせしたところ、
「外寸が20cmなので、長財布が18～19cmとして、たぶん無理だと思いますよ」と女性スタッフの方にさらりと言われましたが、
届いた商品には長財布ぎりぎり入りました。
ご面倒だったのかもしれませんが、せめて入るかどうか試してほしかったです。
もしくは何センチの財布を入れようとしているのか聞いて、測ってほしかったです。
でも、その点以外はとても良いお買い物ができました。
ありがとうございました（^^）
ルイ ヴィトン リュック 中古 https://www.gmt78.com/product/detail/10763.htm

# ロレックス サブマリーナデイト 値上げ 2022/09/28 6:43 qotgzxcq@aol.jp

注文後すぐに届きました！梱包も対応も丁寧で気持ちよく取引できました。
また利用させていただきたいと思います。
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