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Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

囚人「あの~、SqlCommand さん。ちょっといいですか?」

SqlCommand「…なんだ?」

囚人「ちょっと以下のコードを見て欲しいんですが」

C# 2.0
using(SqlConnection connection = new SqlConnection(connectionString))
{
  using(SqlCommand command = new SqlCommand())
  {
    command.Connection = connection;
    command.CommandText = query;

    using(SqlDataReader reader = command.ExecuteReader())
    {
      …
    }
  }
}

Visual Basic 8.0
Using connection As New SqlConnection(connectionString)
  Using command As New SqlCommand
    command.Connection = connection
    command.CommandText = query

    Using reader As SqlDataReader = command.ExecuteReader()
      …
    End Using
  End Using
End Using

SqlCommand「典型的な Dispose パターンだな。お手本みたいなコードじゃないか」

囚人「ええ。そうなんですけど、SqlDataReader って Dispose しても良いんですかね? 」

SqlCommand「何言ってんだ?良いに決まってるだろ?IDisposable を実装しているクラスは Dispose できる時はいつでもしとけ!この場合は自分で作ってるんだからできるだろ?」

囚人「いや、自分で作ってないですよ。作ってるのはあなたです。SqlConnection や SqlCommand、つまりあなたの事ですが、それらは私が生成しているので私が責任持って破棄します。しかし、SqlDataReader はあなたが生成しています。いや、あなたの事を疑っているわけじゃありませんよ。でもあなたが SqlDataReader のインスタンスの参照を保持しているかどうかは私にはわかりません。あなたがまだ参照しているかもしれないのに破棄してもいいんでしょうか?」

SqlCommand「完璧疑ってるじゃないか。SqlDataReader のインスタンスは参照していなし、第一、俺はその後すぐ死んでるじゃないか。何か問題あるか?」

囚人「いや、あなたの事はよく知っていますし、さっきのコードでまぁ問題ないと思うんですが、パターンとしてどうかなと」

SqlCommand「じゃあ、どんなのがいいんだ?」

囚人「以下のようなのはどうでしょうか」

C# 2.0
using(SqlConnection connection = new SqlConnection(connectionString))
{
  using(SqlCommand command = new SqlCommand())
  {
    command.Connection = connection;
    command.CommandText = query;

    using(SqlDataReader reader = new SqlDataReader(command))
    {
      …
    }
  }
}

Visual Basic 8.0
Using connection As New SqlConnection(connectionString)
  Using command As New SqlCommand
    command.Connection = connection
    command.CommandText = query

    Using reader As New SqlDataReader(command)
      …
    End Using
  End Using
End Using

囚人「これだったら、SqlDataReader は私が生成していますし、破棄の責任もあるので問題ないと思うんですよ」

SqlCommand「しかし、これだったら SqlDataReader がコンストラクタで実行されるって事になって気持ち悪くないか?」

囚人「Open() 等のメソッドを用意して、インスタンスを生成した後は Open() で SqlDataReader を開くようにします」

SqlCommand「なるほどな。でももう無理だ。俺はもう生まれているから変更できないぞ。過ぎた事をグダグダ言って結局何が言いたいんだ?」

囚人「いやね、あなたの真似をしているクラスが大勢生まれているし、これからも生まれると思うんですよ。私が言いたいのは、IDisposable を実装しているクラスはコンストラクタを公開すべきだし、IDisposable を実装しているクラスをメソッド内部で生成して戻り値で返すのは、できるだけやめた方が良いという事です」

SqlCommand「何だ?俺を手本にするなって事か?ひどくね?」

投稿日時 : 2006年9月5日 22:34

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# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

なるほど。。。確かに大丈夫なのかなーと思いつつ、
IDisposable 持ってるしとりあえず Dispose() しとこう。
って事はありますね。。。参考になります。
2006/09/06 9:36 | かるあ

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

たとえば戻り値としてクラスが取り出せるものは、そのクラス(SqlCommand)はヘルパにしかすぎません。
作ったのはあなたで、Disposeするのもあなたです。と解釈してあげてください。

なので、この場合

SqlDataReader dr = com.ExecuteReader();
com.Dispose();
//ここでdrが死んでいるとまずいわけですね。

//J風だとこんな感じ
SqlDataReader dr = com.createInstance();
//ちょっと違うか(^^;;;
2006/09/06 10:22 | 中博俊

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

ちなみにこのパターンではまっているのはStream
2006/09/06 10:22 | 中博俊

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>かるあさん
とは言いつつも、中さんの仰る通りしっかりした設計ならば問題ないんでしょうけどね。

>中さん
>J風だとこんな感じ
>SqlDataReader dr = com.createInstance();
>//ちょっと違うか(^^;;;

まさにそれです。Factory と IDisposable が交じると微妙に変な気持ちになるんですよね。
2006/09/06 12:35 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

同じように暗号化プロバイダも同じようにプロバイダを作成して、プロバイだがDESなどをつくり、そいつらが直接変換を行います。
逆に言うとDisposeされそうなものは内部に隠し持てということですね。
そういう意味ではStream系はStreamを表に見せていないはず。
2006/09/06 21:53 | 中博俊

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

正直、DataReaderがそんな構造になったら使いにくくてかないません。
ドキュメントに明記されていればいい話だと思いますが、本当にそうなったほうが良いと思います?
率直な疑問ですが。
2007/02/01 10:49 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>正直、DataReaderがそんな構造になったら使いにくくてかないません。
>ドキュメントに明記されていればいい話だと思いますが、本当にそうなったほうが良いと思います?
>率直な疑問ですが。

ご意見ありがとうございます。
使いにくいですか?何故でしょうか。
ExecuteReader でインスタンスを作るのと、コンストラクタでインスタンスを作るのとでは、使い難さに違いがあるとは思えません。
違いは、他人に作らせているか自分で作っているかだけだと思います。そしてその違いが Dispose すべきかどうかの問題にかかってきます。
2007/02/01 12:46 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

たとえば抽象層でコーディングを行うことを考えると明らかでしょう。
※まあ実質は直書きが多いですけどね
2007/02/01 15:52 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

勉強不足で申し訳ありません。「抽象層でコーディング」がどういった事を指すのか全く分かりません。具体的に示して頂いてよろしいでしょうか?
2007/02/01 15:58 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

言葉足らずでした。
DbdataReaderやDbCommand辺りまで含めた一貫性の話です。
2007/02/01 16:27 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

ん~、だとしても使いに難い理由がちょっとわかりません。
単に
DbDataReader(DbCommand command)
というコンストラクタがあれば良いように思います。
2007/02/01 17:28 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

いやいやいや、そういうことじゃなくて…
えーと、DbDataReaderは抽象クラスです。
プロバイダに依存しないような汎用的なコードを書くときとかの話です。
2007/02/01 17:52 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>えーと、DbDataReaderは抽象クラスです。
もちろんわかって書いてます。protected コンストラクタになるでしょう。

結局 Factory を介さないとインスタンス化できないものはやり難くなっちゃいますね。
Factory は factory する事に徹しているなら、new するのと同じと考えてもいいですね。
だったら DbCommand が DbDataReader をインスタンス化するんじゃなくて、

DbDataReader reader = factory.CreateDataReader(command);
reader.Execute();

みたいなとか。
2007/02/01 19:09 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>>えーと、DbDataReaderは抽象クラスです。
>もちろんわかって書いてます。protected コンストラクタになるでしょう。

ちょっと理解できません、じゃあ

>DbDataReader(DbCommand command)
>というコンストラクタがあれば良いように思います。

これってどういう意味ですか?
protected??


でまあそれはおいといて、
>DbDataReader reader = factory.CreateDataReader(command);
>reader.Execute();

これは許せるのに、
ExecuteReaderが許せないというのが微妙なところ…
まあ、インスタンスを作るって明示されてないから、という理由だというのは分かるのですが…
2007/02/01 20:16 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

ええと、つまり余計にふくざつにしてませんか?
2007/02/01 20:17 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

Transactionはどうですか?
new Transactionして
Transaction.Begin(connection)
とかがいいです?

この辺が、複雑にしているだけに見える、という話です。
2007/02/01 20:19 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

DbTransaction t = new DbTransaction(connection);
t.Begin();
とかでいいんじゃないです?

IDisposable を実装しているのに、コンストラクタを隠されると誰に破棄の責任があるのか分かりにくくなるという話です。
2007/02/01 20:32 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

いや、だからそれだと抽象レベルでのコーディングができないでしょう?
※すみません、意味通じてないです?

で、
>IDisposable を実装しているのに、コンストラクタを隠されると誰に破棄の責任があるのか分かりにくくなるという話です。

なんですが、これがドキュメントに明記されてたら別に困らないんでは?ってことです。
Disposeって別にNewと対比するものじゃないと思うんですが。

Dispose必要なものはみんなインスタンス作成を明示しないといけない
(あるいはFactoryでCreateInstanceとか、とにかくNewしてることを明示しなければいけない)
とすると、かなりいろんなクラスで冗長な記述をしないといけなくなるように思います。

で、それと比べてBeginTransaction、とか、ExecuteReaderって
そんなに納得いかないものか?というのが疑問です。

※まあこの辺は個人の受け取り方しだいなので、私はこう思うというだけです。
2007/02/01 20:41 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

あ、上の書き込みの一番上の部分はちょっと勘違いしている部分がある状態で書いてしまいました。

私が例えばCreateTransactionとか抽象メソッドの形で書いて、
囚人さんがnew Transactionと書き直したように勝手に思い込んでました。
申し訳ない。

ということで言いたいのはその後の部分です。

2007/02/01 20:46 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>ということで言いたいのはその後の部分です。

というのを以下の事だと判断して書きます。

>なんですが、これがドキュメントに明記されてたら別に困らないんでは?ってことです。
>Disposeって別にNewと対比するものじゃないと思うんですが。

ドキュメントにそんな事書いているでしょうか?
例えば、「SqlCommand.ExecuteReader() で返したインスタンスは Dispose() を呼んでもよい」とかでしょうか。

ドキュメントに書けば済むとか言い出すと、どんなクラス設計も許される事になります。
言語レベルで縛りができるならそれに越したことはないのではないでしょうか。

>で、それと比べてBeginTransaction、とか、ExecuteReaderって
>そんなに納得いかないものか?というのが疑問です。

そんなに納得いかないって事もないですが(もう慣れてますし)、判り難くしているのでは?と思っています。
2007/02/01 21:00 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>ドキュメントに書けば済むとか言い出すと、どんなクラス設計も許される事になります。
>言語レベルで縛りができるならそれに越したことはないのではないでしょうか。

つまり自分でNewしたものしかDisposeできない決まりですか?

だれもドキュメントすれば何でもしていいなんていってませんし言うはずがないでしょう?
ExecuteReaderで返されたReaderは自分でCloseしてくださいとか
Disposeしてください、というのが、どんなクラス設計でもなんて言葉が出てくるほど
異常な設計ですか?
2007/02/01 21:21 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>つまり自分でNewしたものしかDisposeできない決まりですか?

そんな事書いてませんが。
記事をよく読んでもらえば分かると思いますが、できるだけやめた方が良いと言っています。
どちらにそり、Dispose パターンはドキュメントをよく読んで破棄すべきかどうかをよく熟考しなければなりません。

>だれもドキュメントすれば何でもしていいなんていってませんし言うはずがないでしょう?

「ドキュメントに書けば済むとか言い出すと、どんなクラス設計も許される事になります」から、何故そこまで極論なさるのでしょうか。
実際問題、これはちょっと頑張れば言語レベルで縛れる問題ですよね?

>ExecuteReaderで返されたReaderは自分でCloseしてくださいとか
>Disposeしてください、というのが、どんなクラス設計でもなんて言葉が出てくるほど
>異常な設計ですか?

で、実際書いているのでしょうか?そのまま返しますが、DbDataReader のコンストラクタに Command を渡すのがそんなに異常な設計ですか?

ドキュメントに書くのはもちろん大事ですが、ドキュメントすら見る必要がないぐらい単純な方がよくないでしょうか?
2007/02/01 21:31 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

例えば、new DbDataReader(command)とかをしたときに、
commandを渡しているのにDbDataReaderを先にDisposeしていいの?
とか、別の疑問は結局出てくるわけです。
※StreamとReader/Writerの関係みたいな可能性がないと言い切れるなら別ですが。

結局いずれにしてもドキュメント見ないと分かりません。
あと、私はExecuteReaderのような構造に関して意見を言っているだけで、
ドキュメントされてるからいいだろ、とは言あたいわけではありません。
※サンプルとか、構築します、とか記述されているところから分かるレベルですが。


どうもご自分でかかれたことを忘れているようですが、
>で、実際書いているのでしょうか?そのまま返しますが、DbDataReader のコンストラクタに >Command を渡すのがそんなに異常な設計ですか?
私はそんなこと一言も言ってません、
余計複雑にしているのではないか?レベルです。

で、囚人さんが、ドキュメントされてればどんな設計でもいいのか?みたいにおっしゃるので
どんな設計でもいいなんていってない、どんな設計でもといわれるほどExecuteReaderは
おかしな設計か?と返しただけです。
※受け取り方が間違っていたようなので、それは申し訳ありませんが。

あと、言語で縛るの意味が良く分からないんです。

>実際問題、これはちょっと頑張れば言語レベルで縛れる問題ですよね?
言語で縛るというのを、例えば、

>つまり自分でNewしたものしかDisposeできない決まりですか?
ということかな?と受け取ったんですが、違いました?
違うなら、どういう意味か知りたいです。

で、これは無理だろ、と思いますし、不便になるだけで、それとトレードオフできる
メリットがあるとは思えません。
2007/02/01 21:50 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

どうもご自分でかかれたことを忘れているようですが、
>で、実際書いているのでしょうか?そのまま返しますが、DbDataReader のコンストラクタに >Command を渡すのがそんなに異常な設計ですか?
私はそんなこと一言も言ってません、
余計複雑にしているのではないか?レベルです。


誤解を招きそうなので…
DbDataReader のコンストラクタに Command を渡すのが異常なんていってません。
「余計複雑にしているのではないか?」レベルのことしか言ってません。
異常という言葉を出したのは私ですが、
「どんな設計でもいいのか?」というように書かれているので、
「どんな設計でもいいといっている受け取れるほど、異常な設計ですか?」
と聞いているだけです。

で、そういう意図ではないようなので、これは失礼しました。
2007/02/01 22:01 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>例えば、new DbDataReader(command)とかをしたときに、
>commandを渡しているのにDbDataReaderを先にDisposeしていいの?
>とか、別の疑問は結局出てくるわけです。

Reader の参照を Command に渡せばその問題は出るでしょうね。そうする必要があるのかどうかは別として。

>※StreamとReader/Writerの関係みたいな可能性がないと言い切れるなら別ですが。

Reader/Writer に果たして Dispose や Close が必要だったのかという気もしなくもないですが。Writer は Flush してから、Reader は読んでから、Stream の方を Close すれば。
#思いつきで言ってますが。

>>つまり自分でNewしたものしかDisposeできない決まりですか?
>ということかな?と受け取ったんですが、違いました?
>違うなら、どういう意味か知りたいです。

殆ど合ってます。
自分で new したものはほぼ明確に Dispose できますよね?自分で new していないものは明確に Dispose できませんよね。new したものしか Dispose できないとは言っていません。
で、「自分で new したものはほぼ明確に Dispose できる」という単純な設計を使う方が良くないですか?というレベルです。

Dispose に関しては、結局ドキュメントを見ないといけないというのは同意です。
2007/02/01 22:08 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

「いやね、あなたの真似をしているクラスが大勢生まれているし、これからも生まれると思うんですよ。私が言いたいのは、IDisposable を実装しているクラスはコンストラクタを公開すべきだし、IDisposable を実装しているクラスをメソッド内部で生成して戻り値で返すのは、できるだけやめた方が良いという事です」

これを読んだとき、抽象レベルのコーディングを頭から否定あるいは想定していないように読めました。
確かに、できるだけやめたほうが良い、ですが、
上記の分は明らかに、
設計が間違っている、間違った設計のものがどんどん出てくる。
この設計は間違いで、私の言うようにするべきだ、
といっているように見えます。

で、ここだけ見ると、ファクトリ的な動作を全て否定しているように見えるので、
その辺を考慮していない囚人さんのい設計が、他の設計は間違っている、と
言ってしまうほど正しいの?

と感じるわけです。

できるだけ、とは言ってますが、上記文はあきらかに、
DataReader系は、「できる」のだからするべきではなかった、と読めます。
2007/02/01 22:08 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>で、「自分で new したものはほぼ明確に Dispose できる」という単純な設計を使う方が良くないですか?というレベルです。

>あと、言語で縛るの意味が良く分からないんです。
といったように、どう言語で縛るのだろうか?というのが疑問です。
よくないか?レベルではなくて、言語で縛る=できなくなる、でしょう、普通は。

ここの流れでは、自分でNewしたもの以外はDisposeできなくなるということだと読めたんです。
言語レベルで縛る、ということから。
それは不便になる度合いが大きすぎるのでは?と感じたわけです。
2007/02/01 22:13 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>できるだけ、とは言ってますが、上記文はあきらかに、
>DataReader系は、「できる」のだからするべきではなかった、と読めます。

確かにそうですね。申し訳ありません。
だったら、Command が Factory の役目を担うのではなく、明確に Factory にまわせばよいのではないか?と思うわけです。↓

>結局 Factory を介さないとインスタンス化できないものはやり難くなっちゃいますね。
>Factory は factory する事に徹しているなら、new するのと同じと考えてもいいですね。
>だったら DbCommand が DbDataReader をインスタンス化するんじゃなくて、
>
>D>bDataReader reader = factory.CreateDataReader(command);
>reader.Execute();
>
>みたいなとか。

>といったように、どう言語で縛るのだろうか?というのが疑問です。
>よくないか?レベルではなくて、言語で縛る=できなくなる、でしょう、普通は。



>「ドキュメントに書けば済むとか言い出すと、どんなクラス設計も許される事になります」から、何故そこまで極論なさるのでしょうか。
>実際問題、これはちょっと頑張れば言語レベルで縛れる問題ですよね?

「ドキュメントに書けば済む」に対して言っているつもりです。
この流れで、「言語レベルで縛る」が「自分でNewしたもの以外はDisposeできなくなるということ」には繋がらないと思いますが。
2007/02/01 22:24 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

んー、今までずっとDisposeの話をしてきて…
自分でNewしたオブジェクトをDisposeするべきだ
それに対して、ドキュメントされていればすむ話では?

で、

>ドキュメントにそんな事書いているでしょうか?
>例えば、「SqlCommand.ExecuteReader() で返したインスタンスは Dispose() を呼んでもよい」とかでしょうか。

>ドキュメントに書けば済むとか言い出すと、どんなクラス設計も許される事になります。
>言語レベルで縛りができるならそれに越したことはないのではないでしょうか。

この言語レベルで縛りの意味がやっぱり分かりません。

私としては、
わざわざドキュメント見ないと分からない、ドキュメントしないといけないよりも、
言語使用で縛れるものは縛られていた方がよい。
とおっしゃっているようにしか見えません。

そして、その考え方そのものに反対ではありませんが、今回の話では
DisposeをNewしたもの?からしか呼べない、Disposeを呼べる(呼んでいる)場合にしか、
IDisposableなクラスはNewできないようになっていればよい、というような意味にしか
読み取れませんでした。

逆にDisposeの話ではないということなら、ここでこの話を出してきている意味がよくわかりません。

※私は、何でもかんでもドキュメントすればよいなんて言ってません、今回のDispose云々は、ドキュメントされていればいい、と言っているだけです。それは分かるはずです。

----
>>>つまり自分でNewしたものしかDisposeできない決まりですか?
>>ということかな?と受け取ったんですが、違いました?
>>違うなら、どういう意味か知りたいです。
>殆ど合ってます。

とおっしゃっているので、てっきりそういう意味でおっしゃっているということで合っていると思いました。

でも、

>「ドキュメントに書けば済む」に対して言っているつもりです。
>この流れで、「言語レベルで縛る」が「自分でNewしたもの以外はDisposeできなくなるということ」には繋がらないと思いますが。

ということは、やっぱり違う意味、というか、Disposeとは直接関係ない話だったということでしょうか?

で、まあ言葉の話はちょっとおいといてと…

まず、
「自分でNewしたもの以外はDisposeしない、Disposeするものは自分でNewする」
に関しては、DbCommandとかDbDataReaderとかの抽象階層が意味を持たなくなるので
無理があると思います。

次に
「単なるファクトリである、「作る」以外のことはしない、という形にして、Newと同じとみなす」
に関しては、例えば先ほど出されたようにファクトリ専用オブジェクトを作るとすると、
DataReaderに読み込む処理を実行するために、CommandとFactoryの2つのオブジェクトが必要になります。
これも抽象的な観点から見ると、2つのオブジェクトを管理しなければならない、
また誤ったファクトリを渡してしまう余地を与えるという意味で、あまりよくなったとは思えません。

では、最初に出てきているようにCommandがファクトリをかねたら、ですが、
この場合、
DbDataReader reader = com.CreateInstance(com);
になるわけですが、気持ち悪くないですか?
インスタンスメソッドを実行するのに、自分のインスタンスを渡しています。※1

引数をなくしたとすると、
DbDataReader reader = com.CreateInstance();
reader.Open(com)
または、
DbDataReader reader = com.CreateInstance();
reader.Open()
後者はもはやただのファクトリではありませんからだめ。
というより、これならそのまま実行までやってくれた方がよい。
なぜなら、もはやこのreaderはcomに結びついており、
すぐに読み取りを実行する以外に使い道はありません。
かならずすることを2段階に分けるよりも、一度で実行した方が
誤りが入る余地がなくなります。

前者はまだましですが、では
DbDataReader reader = com.CreateInstance();
を見て、このメソッドの意味するところは明確ですか?
私には、このreaderはcomにすでに結びついているようにも見えます。
※comはオブジェクトがコマンドなので、ただのファクトリには見えません。

人によっては結びついていないようにも見える、というより、どちらとも受け取れます。


というように、いろいろ考えられることが多くて、Disposeを明確に、という解決よりも、
複雑性がむしろ増しているように感じられるのです。

※不要な自由度を増やすことは、過ちを呼び込む余地を増やすということ、です。
2007/02/01 23:52 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

もうひとつ、
ExecuteScalarや
ExecuteNonQuery
との一貫性もあります。

もしNewなどでDbDataReaderを作成するとしたら、
上記のメソッドはどうなりますか?
当然Dispose等は絡んできませんし、他にこうすればいい、なんてのも考えにくいので、
上記メソッドはそのままになると思います。

戻り値がIDisposableかどうかで、同じコマンドの実行のセマンティクスが変わってしまいました。

これtらは分かりやすいでしょうか?
2007/02/02 0:03 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>私としては、
>わざわざドキュメント見ないと分からない、ドキュメントしないといけないよりも、
>言語使用で縛れるものは縛られていた方がよい。
>とおっしゃっているようにしか見えません。

はい、その通りです。で、「SqlCommand.ExecuteReader() で返したインスタンスは Dispose() を呼んでもよい」というようにドキュメントに書いていれば良いと仰っているわけですよね?それに対して言っているのであって

>DisposeをNewしたもの?からしか呼べない、Disposeを呼べる(呼んでいる)場合にしか、
>IDisposableなクラスはNewできないようになっていればよい、というような意味にしか
>読み取れませんでした。

と極論に持っていっているのはひとつの意見さんです。自分で new したものは気兼ねなく Dispose できるという言語レベルで表現できる事を「ドキュメントに書けば済む」と仰っている事に対して言っています。
「縛る」という表現が誤解を招いたようで申し訳ありません。

> >>>つまり自分でNewしたものしかDisposeできない決まりですか?
> >>ということかな?と受け取ったんですが、違いました?
> >>違うなら、どういう意味か知りたいです。
> >殆ど合ってます。
>
> とおっしゃっているので、てっきりそういう意味でおっしゃっているということで合っていると思いました。

それに続けて

> 自分で new したものはほぼ明確に Dispose できますよね?自分で new していないものは明確に Dispose できませんよね。new したものしか Dispose できないとは言っていません。
> で、「自分で new したものはほぼ明確に Dispose できる」という単純な設計を使う方が良くないですか?というレベルです。

と私は言いましたよね。だから「殆ど」と言ってます。私の言葉の使い方が悪く誤解を与えたようですね。すみません。



> まず、
> 「自分でNewしたもの以外はDisposeしない、Disposeするものは自分でNewする」
> に関しては、DbCommandとかDbDataReaderとかの抽象階層が意味を持たなくなるので
> 無理があると思います。
>
> 次に
> 「単なるファクトリである、「作る」以外のことはしない、という形にして、Newと同じとみなす」
> に関しては、例えば先ほど出されたようにファクトリ専用オブジェクトを作るとすると、
> DataReaderに読み込む処理を実行するために、CommandとFactoryの2つのオブジェクトが必要になります。
> これも抽象的な観点から見ると、2つのオブジェクトを管理しなければならない、
> また誤ったファクトリを渡してしまう余地を与えるという意味で、あまりよくなったとは思えません。

DataAdapter はどうなのでしょうか。DataAdapter は許可できても DataReader は許可できないのでしょうか。

DbDataAdapter a = factory.CreateDataAdapter()
a.SelectCommand = command;

DataAdapter が良いならば、DataReader も次のようにすれば良い事ですよね。CreateXX() の引数に Command を与えるかプロパティに与えるかは些細な違いでしょう。現に、DbDataAdapter の具象クラスはコンストラクタでも Command を渡せるようになってますよね。

DbDataReader r = factory.CreateDataReader();
r.SelectCommand = command;



> では、最初に出てきているようにCommandがファクトリをかねたら、ですが、
> この場合、
> DbDataReader reader = com.CreateInstance(com);
> になるわけですが、気持ち悪くないですか?
> インスタンスメソッドを実行するのに、自分のインスタンスを渡しています。※1
>
> 引数をなくしたとすると、
> DbDataReader reader = com.CreateInstance();
> reader.Open(com)
> または、
> DbDataReader reader = com.CreateInstance();
> reader.Open()
> 後者はもはやただのファクトリではありませんからだめ。
> というより、これならそのまま実行までやってくれた方がよい。
> なぜなら、もはやこのreaderはcomに結びついており、
> すぐに読み取りを実行する以外に使い道はありません。
> かならずすることを2段階に分けるよりも、一度で実行した方が
> 誤りが入る余地がなくなります。
>
> 前者はまだましですが、では
> DbDataReader reader = com.CreateInstance();
> を見て、このメソッドの意味するところは明確ですか?
> 私には、このreaderはcomにすでに結びついているようにも見えます。
> ※comはオブジェクトがコマンドなので、ただのファクトリには見えません。

どう解釈したらそうなるのでしょうか。
「Command がファクトリを兼ねないで欲しい」と言っています。だから ExecuteReader() なんてファクトリまがいの事はやめて欲しいし、command.CreateInstance() なんて論外でしょう。



> もうひとつ、
> ExecuteScalarや
> ExecuteNonQuery
> との一貫性もあります。
>
> もしNewなどでDbDataReaderを作成するとしたら、
> 上記のメソッドはどうなりますか?
> 当然Dispose等は絡んできませんし、他にこうすればいい、なんてのも考えにくいので、
> 上記メソッドはそのままになると思います。
>
> 戻り値がIDisposableかどうかで、同じコマンドの実行のセマンティクスが変わってしまいました。


もう一度出しますが、DataAdapter はどうなのでしょうか?command.ExecuteDataAdapter() の方が一貫性があるでも仰りたいのでしょうか。そんなわけないですよね。
ExecuteScalar、ExecuteNonQuery と DataReader に一貫性を持たせようとするのがそもそもの誤りのような気がします。
DataReader は DataAdapter の方と一貫性を持たせた方が良いように思いませんか?

まぁ DataAdapter は Update もあるので、DataReader と同じ扱いにするのは無理があるかもしれませんが。
2007/02/02 11:58 | 囚人

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

言語の縛りに関しては意味というか意図を取り違えていたようです。

言語で縛る→言語使用で規定(強制)してしまう
今はIDisposableの話→IDisposableの使い方(の自由度)を、言語仕様でできなくしてしまう。
※私の頭ではこういう感じに受け取ってしまっていたということです。


>DataAdapter はどうなのでしょうか。DataAdapter は許可できても DataReader は許可できないのでしょうか。
何度か言っていますが、私は許容できないとか、許せない、というほどのことは言っていません。
余計複雑にしてしまっていないか?といっています。
最初の方で「使いにくくてかなわない」といいましたが、これはnewでしか作れないとした場合の話です。

ファクトリが提供されるなら無理な制約は発生しないので、あとは
明確になる度合い(こうすることのメリット)>複雑になってしまう度合い(デメリット)
とは思えない、ということです。
※まあ、こうするべきだ、と言い切ってしまうほどメリットばかりとは思えない、メリットの方がデメリットよりもずっと大きいとは思えない、ということです。


あと、command.CreateInstance(せめてCreateReaderとか書いた方がましだったかも)とかの話ですが、
これは、ちょっと整理的な意味合いで、どんなパターンになるか書き出してみただけです。
囚人さんがこれを推奨しているとか、そういう意味では書いていません。
※ですが流れとか書き方が紛らわしいですね、すみません。


あとDataAdapterに関してですが、これはどちらかというと役割的にはCommandに近いと思います。
少なくともReaderと対比させるのはちょっとおかしいと思います。
Commandと同じではありませんが、Commandを使って機能を補強するものですね。

>DataReader は DataAdapter の方と一貫性を持たせた方が良いように思いませんか?

これはちょっと違和感あります。
「DataAdapterにはUpdateがあるから同じではない」というのではありませんよ。
DataAdapterはコマンドを実行するためのものです。
クエリの発行の仕方をコントロールするものです。

DataReaderはコマンドの実行結果へのアクセスを提供するものです。
実行結果そのものではなくとも、少なくとも大まかに見て「コマンドの実行結果」という意味合いで間違いないと思います。
そういう意味で、
・単一値を返すExecuteScalar
・何らかの操作を実行して影響行数を返すExecuteNonQuery
・複数の結果セット(へのアクセス用オブジェクト)を返すExecuteReader
これらはおおよそ同じカテゴリ、同じような使い方ができる方が自然だと思いません?



あと、これはちょっと言いがかりな気もしますが、DataSetはIDisosableなので、
DataSetを作成して返すメソッドを作るのは不適切か?とか。
※DataSetはそもそも事情が違いますから、まあこれは言ってみただけです。
2007/02/03 1:20 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

>・単一値を返すExecuteScalar
>・何らかの操作を実行して影響行数を返すExecuteNonQuery
>・複数の結果セット(へのアクセス用オブジェクト)を返すExecuteReader
>これらはおおよそ同じカテゴリ、同じような使い方ができる方が自然だと思いません?

こう書きましたけど、どういうのを自然と感じるかはまあ人それぞれなので、
自然というよりは、別にこの構造で違和感はない、IDisposableかどうかで
使い方を変えてしまうほうが、私にとっては違和感を感じるし、余計面倒(複雑)に
してしまっていると私には感じられる、という辺りに受け取ってもらえればいいです。


2007/02/03 1:32 | ひとつの意見

# re: Dispose していいのかどうか悩むべき

> >・単一値を返すExecuteScalar
> >・何らかの操作を実行して影響行数を返すExecuteNonQuery
> >・複数の結果セット(へのアクセス用オブジェクト)を返すExecuteReader
> >これらはおおよそ同じカテゴリ、同じような使い方ができる方が自然だと思いません?
>
> こう書きましたけど、どういうのを自然と感じるかはまあ人それぞれなので、
> 自然というよりは、別にこの構造で違和感はない、IDisposableかどうかで
> 使い方を変えてしまうほうが、私にとっては違和感を感じるし、余計面倒(複雑)に
> してしまっていると私には感じられる、という辺りに受け取ってもらえればいいです。

ふーむ、なるほど。
現在、ExecuteReader() になっている構造をただ変更したなら、余計複雑になるでしょうね。
もし万が一最初から私の言う構造になっていたらそれはそれで違和感がなかったかもしれませんね。
私も現在の ExecuteReader() で特に違和感を感じるわけではありません。

> あと、これはちょっと言いがかりな気もしますが、DataSetはIDisosableなので、
> DataSetを作成して返すメソッドを作るのは不適切か?とか。
> ※DataSetはそもそも事情が違いますから、まあこれは言ってみただけです。

ん~、不適切かもしれませんね。そういう場合は、そのメソッドは引数で DataSet を受けるようにするとか工夫の余地があるかもしれません。まぁもちろん場合によりけりです。


非常に参考になるご意見でした。ありがとうございます。
2007/02/04 13:15 | 囚人

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