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MIDLが吐き出すファイル

たまにはCOMしましょうかね…(遠い目)。

IDLファイル書きました。こんなの。

import "oaidl.idl";
import "ocidl.idl";
[
 object,
 uuid( 9874C279-FE45-43a1-9ED6-ED667E5BA089 )
]
interface IHoge : IUnknown
{
 HRESULT Hoge();
}

こいつをMIDLでコンパイると、(元のファイル名がHoge.idlだとして)以下の4つのファイルができます。

  • Hoge_h.h
  • Hoge_i.c
  • Hoge_p.c
  • dlldata.c

Hoge_h.hは、このインターフェイスの定義をC++風に書き直したものです。
こいつを、このインターフェイスを使うクライアントに提供します。
この中には、IID_IHogeの宣言も含まれています。

Hoge_i.cは、GUIDの定義ファイルです。
今回の例の場合、この中にIID_IHogeの定義が含まれます。

Hoge_p.cとdlldata.cは、このインターフェイスのプロキシとスタブを生成するためのソースファイルです。
ここでは割愛。

さて、これでコンポーネント側はできたとして(実装は小人さんが手伝ってくれました)、次はこれを利用するアプリ側を作りましょう。

ここで問題です。
アプリ側ではCoCreateInstanceを使うために、CLSID_HogeとIID_IHogeの定義が必要です。
しかし、CLSID_Hogeなんてものはどこにも定義してありません。
それから、ユーザに渡したHoge_h.hには、IID_IHogeの宣言しか入っていません。
さぁどうしましょう?

MicrosoftがWindows SDKで提供しているインターフェイスは、そのCLSIDやIIDの定義がスタティックライブラリに入っているものがあります。
しかし、COMは本来、インポートライブラリ不要のアーキテクチャです。
ヘッダファイルにでも入れて提供してあげれば済むことなので、このためにHoge.libなんて作りたくありません。

IIDの定義は、Hoge_i.cに入っています。
このファイルをユーザーに提供すればいいんでしょうか?
できれば、ユーザーに渡すのはヘッダファイルだけにしたいところです。
それとも、実体の定義を伴うヘッダファイルなんて邪道でしょうかね?

CLSIDはどこで定義しましょう?
IDLファイル中でも、こんな風にすればできます。

import "oaidl.idl";
import "ocidl.idl";
[
 object,
 uuid( 9874C279-FE45-43a1-9ED6-ED667E5BA089 )
]
interface IHoge : IUnknown
{
 HRESULT Hoge();
}
[ uuid( 56BFECD7-0642-4594-9CA8-6C1B77DE0C95 ) ]
coclass Hoge
{
 [ default ] interface IHoge;
}

これは、IHogeを実装するクラスHogeの定義です。
こう定義してやると、Hoge_h.hにCLSID_Hogeの宣言が、Hoge_i.cに定義が、それぞれ生成されます。

しかし、同時に、Hoge_h.hにHogeクラスの先行宣言が加わります。
このHogeクラスとは何者でしょうか?

これはCOMクラスですから、そんなクラスを宣言されたところで、new Hoge; でインスタンスを生成することはできません。
先行宣言によって可能になるのは、その型のポインタ型を定義することくらいですが、メソッドの宣言が含まれないため、そのポインタを利用してメソッドを呼び出すことができません。
第一、C++でCOMを扱うときに利用するのはインターフェイスポインタであって、CLSID以外でクラスの存在を意識することはないのです。クラスポインタなんて必要ありません。
まったく役立たずです。

IDLファイルにcoclassだけでなくタイプライブラリの定義も加えてやれば、VBや.NETからの呼び出しが可能になり、そこではnew Hoge;でのインスタンス生成が可能になります。
しかし、そのためにHoge_h.hでHogeクラスが宣言されている必要はゼロです。VBや.NETは、C++のヘッダファイルを必要としないのですから。

というわけで、

  • ユーザにHoge_i.cは提供したくない
  • IDLでcoclassは定義したくない

ということになりました。

IDLでcoclassを定義しない以上、CLSIDの定義をMIDLに頼ることはできません。
ならば、自分でヘッダファイルでも作って、そこに書いてやるしかないでしょう。
せっかくファイルを作るのならば、IIDの定義もそっちでやってしまいましょう。
特定のマクロが定義されているときは定義に、そうでないときは宣言になるようにスイッチしてあげればいいでしょう。
事実、Windows SDKに含まれるDEFINE_GUIDはそうなっていますし、guidgen.exeはほとんどコピペで使えるDEFINE_GUID形式の表記を生成してくれますから、これを使えばいいでしょう。

ふーむ…これで最適解になりましたかね?
MIDLが若干気に食わないものの、こうするのが定石、なのかな?

投稿日時 : 2007年12月17日 15:38

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# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 16:07 とっちゃん

おいらは、idl に coclass まで入れてますね。
けど、クライアント用に hoge_i.* 類は提供しませんね。
idl が生成するこれらのファイル類は、コンポーネントの実装用のスタブヘッダーなのでw

クライアントには、hoge.tlb を渡します。
こっちのほうが融通聞くしw
.NET でも、Native C/C++ でも好きに使えるものw

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 16:19 シャノン

ファイル名こそ*_h.hではないものの、MSはそれに相当する(MIDLが吐いた)ヘッダファイルをSDKに含めていますね。
定義は前述の通り、*.libに入っちゃってますけど。

タイプライブラリは表現力が貧弱らしいのでねぇ…
.NETから使うにはタイプライブラリを経由するしかないので、そこでどう制限が出るかは調べる必要がありますね。

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 16:39 とっちゃん

tlb は貧弱ですが、フォローしてないのは、実態位置(レジストリに書かれてる部分)とかですね。

tlb がメタデータとして貧弱というレッテル貼られてるのは、VBがフォローしてないものが多いからにすぎないかとw

実際、unsigned な整数型は、VBが読み書きできないから使うなと言われてただけだしねw

構造体の定義が面倒というのはあるけど、それも定義可能だし、C で表現できるものはほとんど全部表現できたはずですよ。
#そうじゃなきゃ、RPC のマーシャルかけないものw

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 16:47 シャノン

いやほら、wire_marshalとかcall_asとかさw

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 16:59 とっちゃん

うはw
その辺持ってくるか...
確かにtlbにはその辺入ってない気がするなぁ...

automation の世界でそのあたりは使わないもんなぁ...ふつうはw

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 18:14 melt

タイプライブラリはセキュリティの面で気になります...。

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 18:16 シャノン

kwsk

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 18:29 melt

管理者権限が必要で汎用的な処理を書いているサービスアプリケーションがあったのですが、そのタイプライブラリが公開されているので、管理者権限の必要な処理が簡単に任意のアプリケーションから呼べてしまうという問題があって、その対策に右往左往しました(主に自分以外が)。
とりあえずタイプライブラリを公開しなければ良いという対策で終わりましたが、本当は暗号化なり何なりしておくべきかもとか思ったりもしています。

そういうことがあったのでタイプライブラリは公開しないでおこうと心に誓ったのですが、.NET は必須なんですか...orz

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 22:22 ちゃっぴ

> 管理者権限が必要で汎用的な処理を書いているサービスアプリケーションがあったのですが、そのタイプライブラリが公開されているので、管理者権限の必要な処理が簡単に任意のアプリケーションから呼べてしまうという問題があって、その対策に右往左往しました(主に自分以外が)。

ってゆうか type library と全く関係がないと思いますが。
Type libarary があろうと無かろうと結局として呼び出せることには違いないので。

User 単位で制限を課したいのであれば、service の ACL で制限すればいいですし。

もしかして、COM+ ?。そちらにも ACL ありますし、roll base で制限かけられたかと。

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 22:51 Atata!!

> MIDLが若干気に食わないものの、こうするのが定石、なのかな?

私はcoclassを定義したヘッダファイルを提供することが多いです。
CLSIDは __uuidof(Hoge) としてもらう規約にしています。

# gccとかは放置で・・・。


> いやほら、wire_marshalとかcall_asとかさw

ちなみにSAFEARRAY以外の配列型はタイプライブラリには含まれません。
以下のような属性が該当するかと
・first_is
・last_is
・length_is
・max_is
・size_is

# これ以外にも出力されない属性が多いので、
# automation 互換型で統一しない限りタイプライブラリは
# 出力しなくてもいいかなとか思ってます。


> そういうことがあったのでタイプライブラリは公開しないでおこうと心に誓ったのですが、
> .NET は必須なんですか...orz

RCWが作成できれば基本的に不要です。
で、そのためにPIAを作成して配布するものだと私は認識しています。

# タイプライブラリマーシャリングが必要ならば話は別ですが・・・

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/17 23:34 シャノン

博士キター。

> 以下のような属性が該当するかと

おぉ、結構メジャーな属性が当てはまるじゃないですか。

> RCWが作成できれば基本的に不要です。
> で、そのためにPIAを作成して配布するものだと私は認識しています。

タイプライブラリを使わずにPIAを作る方法がよくわかってませんw

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/18 2:32 Atata!!

> 事実、Windows SDKに含まれるDEFINE_GUIDは...

MIDLで出力したプロキシ/スタブソースは MinGW でもコンパイル/リンクが可能で、
開発環境に MinGW を選択した時は、私も DEFINE_GUID を使っていました。

# と言うか使わざるを得ませんでした。


> タイプライブラリを使わずにPIAを作る方法がよくわかってませんw

すごい誤解する書き方になってしまいましたが、通常PIAはタイプライブラリから作成します。
で、PIAはタイプライブラリの作成者がタイプライブラリの代わりに
コンポーネントの利用者に配布するものだと言うことが言いたかったわけです。

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/18 9:43 シャノン

あぁ、確かにそういう意味では、.NETでタイプライブラリは必須ではありませんね。
俺は、製作者がPIAを用意するにしろ、利用者側でtlbimpするにしろ、タイプライブラリが無いといけないということで必須と認識してました。
が、どうやらタイプライブラリ無しでもPIAは作れるようです。
ただ、タイプライブラリが保持できない属性が、カスタムで作ったときに保持できるのかどうかはわかりませんが。

# re: MIDLが吐き出すファイル 2007/12/21 18:54 シャノン

Hoge_i.cもクライアントに渡す方向で検討。

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Hi Tim...how did Jules ditch his blades? Was there a humiliating swim involved? The long boat Vs short boat technique arguement.... not really an arguement in my mind, for example the star tests do call for an efficient forward paddling technique - with the recent development of short boats the techniques for producing an efficient forward paddle stroke is different - not right or wrong, just different - from that needed from a longer boat. I think it is up to the coach to be able to demonstrate an efficient forward paddle stroke in a variety of crafts, and more importantly to understand why, for example, sitting in an upright posture in a longer boat is more efficient for the forward paddle stroke whereas slightly leaning back in a shorter boat produces a more efficient forward stroke?

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People do wear glasses and contacts, some even wear sports goggles over them.

# sqn0sj 2016/06/12 18:37 Nikku

г?? Mark R Yeah, http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2144041
Edited by: Jez at: 2/1/02 9:00:12 am http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2144905
г?? As for the benefits of membership, it's probably worth browsing through their website (at www.bcu.org.uk ) and deciding for yourself. The main advantages, as I see it, is the access to the canal network and several sections of river, which are dependent on membership, and personal liability insurance. You also get a reasonable-ish magazine six times a year (but not as good as Paddles magazine), and a few other benefits. Take a look at the website, and see what you reckon. Though I carry my phone "on principle" ( the one time you need it, it's in the car ... plus the value post-paddle for fixing shuttles etc), I've only ever used it on the Thames (to try to ring the "Charing X Bridge Control). Whilst I'd carry it in a BA pocket at sea, otherwise, it's in the back of the boat in a dry bag. I can't see much point in keeping it out on the river; most WW rivers anyway seem to have effectively zero reception at water level! http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2144603
Edited by: Mick Wood at: 2/14/02 1:30:11 pm I tried to jump through the hoops to get assessor status a year or so ago (before foot and mouth) but I found it impossible to even find an assessor training day, let alone courses I could help out on. I've since given up trying. http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2144670
Capel Curig 40mm of rain!! http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2143643
one of our friends (lisel) was saying that the upper dart was great on saturday - they were with a guy who seemed to know the river of heart and who was saying things like "u'll get pinned on this rock down here because everyone does," and sure enough they were all getting pinned!! Mick ж?‡ г?? http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2143673
Funny thing is, water levels are relatively moderate on Dartmoor compared to South Wales. They aren't - they're completely arbitary. I think this was decided based on having some ability to work with groups coupled with necessary river skills. Craig's point basically covers the idea that the leader must be "competent" - however it is defined. http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2143705


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Cheers Jay! Just wondering where u get "sports glasses" from.

# djjs6c 2016/06/12 19:32 goodtip4u

д?? Mark R http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2144895
Cheers, The bottom line? Try out all the boats you like the look of. You can't even start to tell until you've paddled a boat for a couple of hours. http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2145106
г?­ Has Rhys mastered his first end yet? How about his forward paddling? ;-) http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2144368
If everything is too high, a couple of highly recommended runs after you've done the Dart Loop... 2) Be discrete when changing, any complaints will undoubtably go to the factory and it's easier for them not to allow paddlers! http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2144744
Anyone seen Mr Wallis's Orchy thread on uk.r.p.b?? Andy http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2143606
Short sighted myself, used to just paddle blind, never had any major trouble, rivers salty stuff and weirs. е№ё г?« http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2143545
Buy a Necky Switch !. I used to paddle a Quadro but just found it a bit bland. I'm crap at playboating but since I have brought the Switch I am starting to improve, it is also predictable and controllable so good for River Running too. I am well pleased with mine. Here's a photo of me playing on the back end of one of the smaller waves! (I reckon it could be good again tomorrow?) http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2144013


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:rollin

# h5uzp5 2016/06/13 3:00 denysa96

г?? г?? hello Hope you find what you are after. http://fixpolitix.com/node/12681
Just about every variation on this will be recommended by someone, somewhere. http://fixpolitix.com/node/11550
г?? г?? One unintended result is that we're really popular with the local cats now...hopefully now they're lurking around the place, they'll indulge in some carnage on our behalf. Or maybe they'll just be lazy and stick to the free takeaway meals. Mick http://fixpolitix.com/node/11785
Go on, Roo, who do you reckon it is? http://fixpolitix.com/node/12041
We are planning to go in July http://fixpolitix.com/node/11345
Yeah as far as I'm aware I don't do the bobbing thing, my lean isn't excesive and I think the boats neutral....but.....if you guys are saying I should still be able to paddle forwards in the same position / technique as a larger boat then 'some ting ain't ryt!' :D Simon г?? http://fixpolitix.com/node/11339
I am inclined to think that this is getting over paranoid. In general, activities that would be regarded as "normal" (that prbably rules out paddling all together!) by "right minded people" (that's all paddlers out, then) are not going to cause any problem. So, if I take a photo of one of the kids at the club when they are surfing a wave and that photo is published in the club news letter, the kid and their parents are likely to be pleased that they made the news letter. Clearly things get a bit dodgy if the camera is out where people are getting changed, but again, "right minded people" do not photograph others getting changed. Pool hours should be counted within a siutable range of experience for coach assessment. I would not be happy with a L2 candidate who had all pool time, but equally, I would be unhappy if they had none at all. The general guide is to have a range of sessions: pool, introduction, come & try it, formal skills (start test training) and trips. In practice, I don't recall it ever being an issue. Everyone I've assessed has had loads more hours than required anyway. I think the only exception is where centres & companies (PGL, Acorn etc) are trying to push people through the coaching scheme quickly. Even then, training at the start of a summer season and assessment at the end usually results in sufficient experience. http://fixpolitix.com/node/11532


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I'll shut up now.... ;-)

# aq0xae 2016/06/15 17:19 Ellena08

г?? I've been very pleased with it river running/ surfing and having seen quite a few at HPP - I know the potentials there for playboating- it's obviously the pilot that stops the moves happening in my boat!! An excellent trip. It finished with a very chewy double drop which Chris and I meekly portaged whilst the rest did it with varying degrees of style (a big volume boat seemed to make a big difference here). http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2210203
:hat :rollin :hat :rollin :hat :rollin :hat http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2211827
г?¦ THE ABOVE LIST IS ADVERTISED TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE BUT IS SUBJECT TO Mick http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2210522
Good luck on the Dart...have fun...and let us know how it goes (I'm dying to paddle it but there's no tickets left for this year!) http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2210611
Mark, I know that they have a CCP (Norman Crowson) who runs loads of stuff. See their web page. http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2211697
hf д?‘ г?­ http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2211229
I work for Derbyshire County Council based at Matlock in the youth training and Development unit, any help? http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2211021


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However I was told it's still worth logging because it goes towards demonstrating a wider range of experience. River Ure

# o0pe47 2016/06/15 17:52 dr3aming dr3ams

г?? 複 Ooooh yes it was lovely. Huge and flooding out of it's banks, mostly washed out into one five mile wave train megarapid with a few big holes to avoid. Conventional wisdom is that Euthanasia falls washes out in high levels...not so today(!) as we dropped over blind. It was one stomping hole which was powerful enough to blow my deck as I subbed under...putting it back on was amusing in midflow! http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2210599
:D But on the other hand, SURF WAS UP!!!! :eek http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2210495
г?? It doesn't appear to be giving live footage (I know for a fact that the sun has gone down in Dorset), anyone know how/ when it works? http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2211123
Craig. What was this Dave, a case of irreconcilable differences? http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2210202
Mark H http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2211652
Chas im only selling cos it hurts my size 13 feet alot г?¦ http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2211329
My stroke will change. A longer deeper stroke in the polo boat. No rocks to hit!! I don't think my paddling position changes though. Of course it depends on the boat and how it is trimmed. http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2210989


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Mick

# mss2rs 2016/06/16 3:14 danielpop

д?? ж?° Robert Im interested, either day.im in manc too so let me know http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2224255
Yup South west was the place to be on Sunday even if I did walk the gorge on the Erme. Bigged up kinda quick. http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2225909
г?№ Splendid fun. Mark R http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2226476
ive got a dagger outlaw to sell cheap, almost brand new. Hi TOm! http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2220138
roo http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2221005
Cheers We'll be in North Wales anyway, so if the Ogwens not on we'll find something....even if that means the Tryweryn! д?? http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2224688
anyone done 2 bridges section on the ribble? sounds v good, www.guidebook.free-online.../dulas.htm http://ywp.nanowrimo.org/node/2224757


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I managed to find about 8 new sections for a next edition before I left the country. Also, there are one or two of the descriptions that need re- writing. The Dugoed springs to mind. I remembered the bottom scary gorge all too well but I couldn't remember the middle bit well and when I paddled it again it was far better than I remembered it(and not particularly like my description..... honesty in a guide book writer !). When I lived in Brithdir I got out and boated it about 20 times and it is a great section in the right level. cheers

# vxhgq5 2016/07/06 7:00 InfinitiX

г?? ...but don't go there yourself as it has the markschemes on it too! Good luck on the Dart...have fun...and let us know how it goes (I'm dying to paddle it but there's no tickets left for this year!) https://www.civiltech.hu/node/6790
In short, you've got to catch it directly after bad weather has passed. The Hurley crowd who arrived at 1 pm this afternoon had fun, but missed the best as the swell dropped off so fast. And...the gits ate all our scones afterwards. https://www.metakids.nl/node/11453
г?? You're right, it could add fuel to the fire, but since my site doesn't allow them to respond directly to me, it's just my message on the WWW. https://www.metakids.nl/node/12005
roo https://www.metakids.nl/node/11914
Still, it'd have squirt boat potential.... ;-) https://www.civiltech.hu/node/6017
HTH Anyone paddling in mid wales on Sunday г?? е®? https://www.metakids.nl/node/11216
I might well be doing an "updated version" if I get chance. Certainly a second edition will be printed as this run is nearly sold out. I think the problem with the specsavers ones is that it is very hard to get them the right way round, compared to the boost lenses -you could see whether the boots lenses were inside out or not very easily. I find that if my lenses feel a bit funny when I put them in, they're more likely to come out when paddling. Usually I can just blink them back in, so it's not a problem, but when I get a job I'm going to go back to the boots ones I think. https://www.metakids.nl/node/11331


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Mick If we haven't met I'm sure we'll bump into each other :)

# pwzvqg 2016/07/06 10:19 LuK@$

г?? 複 Hi Jerry "I take your point about the pool - and do most of my teaching there. Wrongly or rightly I was told by my course provider that pool teaching "doesn't really count". Generally the pool skills I have taught are rolling (paddle&hand) forward/backward paddling and some support strokes." https://www.civiltech.hu/node/7666
At the moment I have so many questions about new zealand that I don't have time to write them down right now and I should be revising for my exams!. The reply: https://www.civiltech.hu/node/5499
г?? sean https://www.civiltech.hu/node/5860
Yeh I guess Shaun Baker is a natural choice for a paddler profile. https://www.civiltech.hu/node/6818
Mark R Splendid fun today...the upper Dart had dropped to a more sensible level than yesterday...still out of it's banks but it was all paddleable. Even so I spent a fair while ummming and ahhhing before running the ledges... https://www.civiltech.hu/node/7305
I was very pleased to have to remain with vehicle for AA attendance as mates still wanted to run it!! SUICIDE!! Andy г?№ https://www.metakids.nl/node/11020
Pete. I don't wear contacts or glasses but I always keep my eyes closed underwater. I thought everyone did this but maybe I'm just a freek. How anyone can open their eyes underwater is a mystery to me; it stings like hell, and the force of the water can't be good for your eyes. If you wear glasses, however, you can buy a hydrophobic (water-hating) lense liquid that should stop droplets of water affecting your vision. I know Oakley do the liquid but I don't know if they will sell it separately to you. I hope I have been of some assistance. https://www.metakids.nl/node/11715


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1) When driving into the factory, stop and let the guard know what your doing (politely). This is just courtesy really and I don't know of anyone who has ever been stopped? Mick

# prkqfw 2016/07/07 1:40 Bal0o14s

г?“ г?? We are required at Uni to get our Level 2 coach ticket in order to run club trips, those of us that have done have found the process pretty uninspiring, and as a consequence no one seems to have the desire to move further along the ladder. Mainly due to the fact you have to spend so much time on flat water it seems !! but id only want about 12sets at a time, that would last me a year of river running http://adarshaautomation.com/node/1642
Hopefully, with help of your letter, that something will be done about the whole scheme" Anyone seen Mr Wallis's Orchy thread on uk.r.p.b?? http://adarshaautomation.com/node/1442
ж?° г?? Saturday am: Upper Spean - Carnage. 5 pipes and not an eddy the whole way... :) oo eck...could be doing the Dart! http://adarshaautomation.com/node/1593
Of course, after a while rolling becomes automatic but I'm sure it helps to be able to see the light to help you get your bearings. Especially if your roll isn't yet automatic. http://adarshaautomation.com/node/1512
Thanks, Happy paddlin' http://adarshaautomation.com/node/1690
Both ways have their pros and cons, as with anything ! cheers г?? http://adarshaautomation.com/node/1231
Yeah as far as I'm aware I don't do the bobbing thing, my lean isn't excesive and I think the boats neutral....but.....if you guys are saying I should still be able to paddle forwards in the same position / technique as a larger boat then 'some ting ain't ryt!' :D Robert http://adarshaautomation.com/node/1635


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It's not fair How do I know, well if you turn the wrong way when leaving the Copehagen Airport (cause they drive on the wrong side of the road) you end up crossing the bloomin bridge into Sweden (they forgot to put in a round about so you could get back).

# mhp6x5 2016/07/10 4:08 ad_iacob67

г?? This morning at home the stream running out side of my house was nearly dry as for most of the year. I go to school in Monmouth, and I went this morning to find the pitches, parks and alottments totally flooded! They expect the river to rise in the coming days to flood the A40 next to the river. Now that is high!!!! I was thinking of jumping off the Wye bridge along with my boat and paddle but I didn't think my head would appreciate the cold water (and the drop isn't all that big so not worth the effort). Missed opportunity or good idea? Anyway, it rained all day and to get back from school I had to take a diverted route due to localised flooding in an area that is normally bone dry. The stream next to my house run next to my drive and sinks into caves but today the caves were full and there was about 1 cumec of water flowing down my drive. I also have a pond near the top of the stream which is only kept wet due to the concrete bottom and today the was a sweet eddy line on it where, if it hadn't have been dark, I would have paddled my EZ. Anyone else experienced floods like this? Extreme down river race http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2597
Si Wiles up in Cumbria reports that he ran Tarn Beck (titchy Duddon trib) and the lower Duddon in high water this afternoon, whole thing taking little more than an hour. The (Club or organisation) will take all steps to ensure these images are used solely for the purposes they are intended. If you become aware that these images are being used inappropriately you should inform (Club or organisation) immediately. http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2998
е®? д?? Im Derby Citys YS technical advisor I think I was there when you were on placement and have seen you at DARE or connexions mmetings http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3109
I have managed to get away with wearing normal glasses for the past few years, but am wary of losing them while getting beaten in large holes! http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3149
The reef knot and fishermans are OK, but the joining of ropes with a fig. 8 or overhand and with long tails is new to me, http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2590
Dan. We are trying to get tickets for 9th qnd 10th March! г?“ г?? http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2656
Anyone know the situation for the Dart? Have all the tickets gone or am I wrong? http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2416


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Edited by: Craig Addison at: 2/26/02 11:54:17 pm Ok, transferability sounds like a good topic. You ,mention the amount of manuals available, I assume these are technique books etc - anyone know the name of any such books and or if technique guides are available on-line?

# wejk3e 2016/07/10 5:05 chbt4

г?? roo http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2766
If everything is too high, a couple of highly recommended runs after you've done the Dart Loop... Lower Tavy at this level = a big bouncy 'float', some excellent surging waves, no real tree-dodging etc. just a few holes you wouldn't want to know. Yes, plenty to play on at this level and a longer and quieter alternative to the Loop at this level http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2222
г?? е ? Will. http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3473
3) Last time I was there the river was 'just' big enough to play but my boat kept scraping on the concrete bed...my rails ended up like a frayed bit of cloth! Had hours with a hot knife getting it back! You've been warned FAN - BLOODY - TASTIC!! :rollin http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3776
'with the recent development of short boats the techniques for producing an efficient forward paddle stroke is different - not right or wrong, just different - from that needed from a longer boat.' http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3940
I have put your letter forward to be put into CoDe and hope this starts a debate that will result in answering your questions. I am beginning to understand the complications of the assessor scheme by listening to others on the telephone and I am shocked about the way some of the ccp's are behaving. е ? ж?° http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3673
On reflection, thats my problem - I must learn to OPEN my eyes once I'm back the right way up!!! http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3194


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# ct877z 2016/07/10 6:03 Creion

е?? г?? try Wilko, go look on URB for his e-mail/URL. Milford is playable when the bottom steps at the Matlock Slalom site are completely covered! http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2876
Wow ..Outrageous. The Southwet was the place to be.Never seen the Dart as high. Changed Saturday venue from upper Dart to a huuuge Loop. Sunday Upper Tavy at a sensible level. The drought is over?? http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2186
г?® г?? yeah, http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2612
After the Dart, we went to take a look at the Avon, which none of us had run before. The logic here was that as the neighbouring rivers were likely to be too high (ie. Erme and Plym) the Avon would be okay, as it's headwaters are swallowed up by a dam. The Avon turned out to be bank-full, a fairly high level for a river where tree limbo is a crucial skill. Has anyone else seen fewer paddles in one area than another? http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3263
Fiona http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3901
Steve, г?? http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/4096
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Best UK Rivers? Anyone keen, you know where to find us...

# okafbj 2016/07/10 8:41 ionutfox

г?« No seriously...well done that man, some real paddling by some one at least. Mike. http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/4339
or is this just the landowners excuse to keep boaters away 2)&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp The place was deserted. Our car was the only one in the car park when we got on the river. http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3643
е№ё We will get the guide as soon as I get help with Grading, within the next month I hope. http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/4846
Mark I'd say that it's not entirely accurate any more, after so many of the UK.RBP regulars escaped the Anti-BCU trolls and came here. http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3995
hf (I like your photo by the way!) http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/4224
I thought you hated the things............. :eek cheers mark г?? г?? http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/3312
Not on the courses I went on! http://www.ukbms.org/MYDATA/node/2365


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On the bright side...I'll hopefully make it down to Kimmeridge Saturday morning to get pasted by the gale force winds and humping swell we're enjoying at present. Anybody else likely to show up? Flatwheeling an Inazone 230 is better known as a 'herniawheel'

# 9cb60s 2016/07/12 18:12 halecu_80

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