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2012.11.10 わんくま同盟 福岡勉強会 #24 スピーカ

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本名:永利勤(ながとしつとむ)
北九州に住む技術系会社員。
趣味は車と酒。

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#先日のわんくま同盟 福岡勉強会 #07の時に、

#現地から Windows Live Writer でブログをアップしようとして、

#なぜかできなかったので、テストもかねて投稿。

 

さて、題記の(←この題記って一発で変換できないんですよね。)RowとColumnについてです。

いろんな場面で登場する、RowとColumnですが、私いまだにどっちがどっちか覚えてません。(恥)

プログラムを書いている時は、直感的にわからないので、実際に表示させてみて確認したりしています。

ちょっと不便です。

直感的にわかりやすい覚え方ってないですかねぇ。

投稿日時 : 2009年6月5日 17:28

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# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/05 17:36 ぱると
「ろう」を「ぎょう」と呼んでしまうのはどうでしょう?
行とColumn

# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/05 21:20 dolan
■ぱるとさん

>「ろう」を「ぎょう」と呼んでしまうのはどうでしょう?

ろうにんぎょうかと思いました。(汗
あ、でも覚えたかもー(笑)
ん、行ってどっちだ(爆)

# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/05 22:34 れい
英語などの欧文を考えてください。

一連の切り離せない連なりを英語で「row」と言います。
英文は横書きで、一息で書く「横一行」は切り離せません。
そのためこれを「row」と言います。

また、新聞とか雑誌に連載されている「コラム」という種類の文章があります。
新聞は横幅があるので、適当に区切らないと横が長くて読みづらい。
そこで、紙を縦に区切って記事をつめたのですが、メインの記事を邪魔しないように、縦に細い帯状の記事になりました。
この「ある程度幅があって長いもの」を「column」と言います。そこから「コラム」という記事区分ができました。

これでどうでしょう?
覚えづらいですか?


蛇足。
さらに混乱させますが。

「切り離せない一連の連なり」を日本語で「行」英語で「row」といいます。
なので、縦書きの日本語で「行」と言えば「縦」方向となります。
横書き日本語で「行」といえば「横」になります。

また日本語で「列」は「切り離せる一連の連なり」のことで、英語でsequenceが近い意味になります。

columnは「帯」に近い意味で、意味的には横も縦もありません。
一方が「row」ならもう一方は帯状にならざるをえないため、縦をcolumnといっているだけです。

さらに蛇足。

人が並んでいる状態を、英語では「row」と表現しますが、日本語では「列」といいます。
なんでなんだろ。

イギリス人は並んだら切れないんでしょうね。

# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/05 23:32 dolan
れいさん、どうも。
#こういうやり取りで身につくことを期待してるのでありがたいです。

Row=行は、ぱると さんの方法で覚えられそうです。

ただ今度は、行が縦なのか横なのかがぱっとわからないんですよね。行自体は横に伸びてるけど、Grid.Rowは縦方向のカウント値なんですよね。
ええ、、考えればわかるんですがね。

そういえば昔コーディングシートってあって、横のマスをカラムって呼んでたような。。。



# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/05 23:38 dolan
ああ、思いだしました。
「132カラム」ってことば。

プリンタの横幅。
ってことは、カラムは横だー!うん、これならぱっとわかる。

これと「ろうにんぎょう」で完璧かも(^^)v


# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/06 9:07 やじゅ
視力検査の向きで覚えると、「C」は横向きとわかるかも。
蝋人形(行)でもいいよね。片方だけ覚えればいいし。


# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/06 9:37 うつせみ(虚蝉)
なんか昔の自分がいる^^;
…書きまくることになったらいやでも覚えるんですけどねorz

# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/06 10:20 こあら
> 人が並んでいる状態を、英語では「row」と表現しますが、日本語では「列」といいます。

なんとなくですけど、その状態を見ている視点が違うのかなー?とか。・・・縦横のことばのイメージかも。
行列のできる相談所は、列が折り返すほど人が並んでいるということでしょうか。


> イギリス人は並んだら切れないんでしょうね。

日本人は宝石店に並んで切れてましたものねw

# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/06 14:34 dolan
■ やじゅ さん
>視力検査の向きで覚えると、「C」は横向きとわかるかも。
なるほどー、これもいいアイデアですね。
あとは、しばらくして忘れたころにぱっと思い出せるかどうか、試してみます。

■ うつせみ(虚蝉) さん
業務系じゃないので、あんまり使わないんですよね。
COBOLとかでデスマれば覚えますかねぇ。(笑)

■ こあら さん
>> イギリス人は並んだら切れないんでしょうね。
>日本人は宝石店に並んで切れてましたものねw
あのニュースは痛かったですね。こっちが恥ずかしくなります。


# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/06 16:42 倉田 有大
XAMLいじりまくると、グリッドのあらしだから、覚えられますw

# re: RowとColumn 2009/06/07 9:20 dolan
■ 倉田 有大 さん
ちょうど、XAML書いてて、上の疑問でした。
私もWPF絶賛勉強中なので、よろしくお願いします。m(__)m

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