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数字<英字 とは限りません。

オープン系開発者は、文字コードのベースが ASCIIコードの人が多いので、無意識の内に数字<英字と反応するようです。暗黙知になっている人もいます。
'0'<'9'<'A'<'a' です。
でも、汎用機で使われている EBCDICコードでは '英字'<'数字'です。 'A'<'0'です。
これが小さな騒動になったりするので、暗黙知に差があると怖い。
商品コード順のリストなどで、コードが英数字で構成されているとき、ソート結果の順序が、汎用機での出力結果と、Open系での結果や、Excelでのソート結果では、並び順が異なります。
互いの事情を知らない人が互いに「バグだ修正しろ」と争いになることが、時々あります。最近は聞かなかったのですが、汎用機開発をしている人と話をしていると、最近でも有るそうです。
エンドユーザーにとって、並び順は重要なので、処理系が異なって順が変わるのは、処理機械の勝手であって、ユーザーには無関係です。
ダウンソーシングで汎用機システムをオープン系に載せ換えたとき、英字<数字になるように、カスタムソートで 処理したようです。
Oraclと MS Sqlの nullのソート順も違いますね。
コード体系がいろいろあるのは構いませんが、文字種の大小関係は統一して欲しかったなぁ。
 ASCII,EUC,JIS....は根がasciiだから文字種大小は同じなのでしょうね。
 カナ拡張EBCDICはもっと悲惨で
 'テ' < 'a' <'i' <'ト' < 'ハ' <'j' <'ル' <'A' <'0'
 となっています。英字、カナ混じりのコードの表はどのように処理しているのだろうか。
私が汎用機をしていた頃は、混合項目は作らなかったので、問題化しませんでしたが、今もそうなのかな。
EBCDICコード系をみる度に、「策定者は(将来のことを)深く考えなかった。」と思えてしかたがありません。

投稿日時 : 2010年6月25日 0:44

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# re: 数字<英字 とは限りません。 2010/06/25 1:51 aetos

> EBCDIC (Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code) はIBMにより定義された文字コードである。

- Wikipedia より。

何と言いますか、「またIBMか」という感じが。

ASCIIコードと互換性のないEBCDICコードを作ったのもIBMなら、アメリカのキーボードをISO規格でなくしてしまったのもIBM。
我々が今日使っているPCは昔は「IBM PC/AT互換機」なぞと呼ばれたものですが、その頃の歴史も掘り返すと、また何かロクでもないことをしているかもしれないという気がしてきました。

# re: 数字<英字 とは限りません。 2010/06/25 9:51 はつね

> 何と言いますか、「またIBMか」という感じが。

E-BCD-ICですからねー。
BCDで数字を表わしやすい(ゾーン10進としても使いやすい)コード系にして処理能力を少しでも向上させようとした結果みたいなものですから、一概に「またIBMか」ということもできないかと。

# re: 数字<英字 とは限りません。 2010/06/25 10:33 aetos

文字コードには内部コードと外部コードがあるって教わったですよ(今思い出した)。
内部コードってのはマシン内部で使うコード。外部コードってのは他のマシンとのデータ交換に使うコード。
だから内部コードは処理の効率化のためにどんなコードを使ってもいいけれど、外に出すときには他人のことを考えて外部コードにしましょうね、って。

じゃあ EBCDIC は内部コードなのかというと…E-BCD-Interchange Code ですからね、外部なんじゃないかと。
ってことは…やっぱり「またIBMか」ですかね。

# Code Page 437 2010/06/25 11:10 安岡孝一

しかもIBM PCはEBCDICじゃなくて、これまた独自文字コード(現在のCode Page 437)ですからね。でもまあ、1980年代までは各社とも囲い込みに必死で、他社と違うものを出すのが当たり前だったのかもしれません。

# re: 数字<英字 とは限りません。 2010/06/25 20:24 Ognac

根源的には、二進化十進数を拡張して文字コードにしたことが、強引だったと思うのです。
拡張するときも、アルファベットを続きコードにしなかったのは、10個刻みを意識したのかも知れません。
一企業ないのローカルルールの感覚だったのでしょうね。
業界インフラを作るという意識はまだ芽生えなかったのね。
Cobol/Fortranなどの言語も結果としてインフラ化しましたが、最初から公共性を考えたかどうか。
初期のPC/Basicや MS-DOSは各社仕様版があったし、
普及して、 デファクトスタンダードになってから、公共性を考えるのかしら。

# re: 数字<英字 とは限りません。 2010/06/26 0:19 Pasie.

 勝った者勝ち。ってことでは(意味不明--;
 ただ、恒久的云々をいうならJISコードの並び順だって謎ですし、Unicodeもどうなのか?64bit時代にふさわしく1文字8Byte固定で未来に渡って使えるコードに作り替えるべきでは?とかとか。もっとも部首合成とかやりはじめたら64bitでも足らないかもしれないけど。128bitにしとくか…
って部首合成したときのソート順ってどうなるんだ?きっと将来は「読み方」を判読してソートされるようになるんだろうなとか。--;

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